Ross Gardler wrote:
> For me success or failure comes down to the quality of the mentoring and
> the willingness of the project committers to learn how to apply the
> Apache Way to their community.
+1
--- Noel
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To u
On 18/08/2010 14:25, Carl Trieloff wrote:
On 08/17/2010 07:48 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 17/08/2010 17:35, Carl Trieloff wrote:
To this question, (what will make this model succeed or fail) I find
myself not coming
to defensible answers... I would love to see thoughts of others on this
questio
On 08/17/2010 07:48 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 17/08/2010 17:35, Carl Trieloff wrote:
To this question, (what will make this model succeed or fail) I find
myself not coming
to defensible answers... I would love to see thoughts of others on this
question.
The thread implies it comes down to the
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Agreed, but I will claim that my proposal has worked successfully for httpd,
> so it's not coming out of the clear blue sky. Perhaps you're onto something,
> that diversifying the podling incubation process so we can pick "the right
> fit"
>
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:51:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> On 17/08/2010 17:45, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > I do
> > question the idea that just having 3 Members on
On 17/08/2010 17:45, Joe Schaefer wrote:
I do
question the idea that just having 3 Members on the project and leaving them
to their own devices will actually work well for the majority of our podlings.
I don't think anyone is claiming it is right for the *majority* of
podlings. Just *some* pod
On 17/08/2010 17:35, Carl Trieloff wrote:
To this question, (what will make this model succeed or fail) I find
myself not coming
to defensible answers... I would love to see thoughts of others on this
question.
The thread implies it comes down to the 3+ members on the project.
It's not that s
On 17/08/2010 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
...
What I've been trying to explain here with my "experiment" is that
the best way to teach people about the Apache Way is to let them
experience it for themselves.
+1
We don't actually do that here
- Original Message
> From: Carl Trieloff
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:35:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> I've been following this thread, and have another mail written, but not
> posted,
> maybe I will at
On 08/17/2010 11:39 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
Isn't that why we encourage
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 8:45:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp
>
> On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
[...]
> > Isn't that why we encourage IPMC members to particip
LOL know problem Ross ;)
On 8/17/10 1:46 AM, "Ross Gardler" wrote:
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be "I like"
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> repo
On 17/08/2010 13:21, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Ross Gardler
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53,
- Original Message
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>
> On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Sc
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be "I like"
Sent from my mobile device.
On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name to a
piece of electronic paper.
Personally I imagined my binding vote, as a mentor, to indicate a) the project
debs want this tongi ahead and
10, at 10:46 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
> From: Noel J. Bergman
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Noel J. Bergman
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>>
>> G
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:29, "Noel J. Bergman" wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very
> well in
>>> specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an
> experiment,
>>> if the Board buys into it
Sorry if I'm late to the party, but my 2 cents...
The more I read about this, the more I latch onto Justin's "Observers" notion.
As a non-Apache Member, non-IPMC, PPMC member for OODT, I feel like I am
qualified to vote on a release in the sense that I am closer to the code than
Justin (sorry t
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> You know when to vote and *how* to vote. I see no reason to deny your vote.
Of course. It's always seemed awkward if you can't contribute
technically to suddenly have a binding vote. I'm sure if I *wanted*
to learn how to build something wit
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> So basically you are moving more towards Joe's proposal, that the PPMC would
> have the binding VOTEs in e.g., new committers/PMC members, and on releases?
> Of course, with the caveats below, as you mention, i.e., the observers c
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> Hey Justin,
>
> Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
>
>> See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
>> honestly don't feel that I deserve a "vote" on OODT releases. I've
>> known yo
Hey Justin,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
>
> See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
> honestly don't feel that I deserve a "vote" on OODT releases. I've
> known you and Dave for long enough that I have no concerns advising
> the OODT
[ CCing gene...@incubator as I think I can now place my finger a bit
as to why I'm discomforted with Greg's proposal in the OODT context ;
and more importantly, another potential experiment at the end; leaving
context in for those on gene...@incubator ]
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Mattmann, C
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
>> I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
>> Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
>> done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and knowledge of what
>> the
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:53, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> It's optimized for success while making mentors potentially responsible for
> failure (iow a project with crappy mentors will fail no matter how much they
> grok apache).
Fair assessment, but those *are* the projects that I'm looking at.
Thos
Greg Stein wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>> Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
>>> *three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times).
>> How does that differ from the current system (given the assumption of 3+
PMC
>> Members), exc
46 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Noel J. Bergman
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
Greg Stein wrote:
Using this model decentralize
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Noel J. Bergman
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>>
>> G
Hey Guys,
> I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
> Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
> done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and knowledge of what
> the ASF needs/wants.
+1 from me with my OODT hat on.
Also, I like Greg's p
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:07, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 17/08/2010 03:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
>> I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very well
>> in
>> specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an
>> experiment,
>> if the Board buys into it. Do
- Original Message
> From: Noel J. Bergman
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>
> Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > Using this model decentralizes the process
>
> So
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very
well in
> > specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an
experiment,
> > if the Board buys into it. Do we have any such projects pending or
already
> > in the
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
>> Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
>> *three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times). The
>> podling committers are invited onto the priv...@$podling.apache.org
>> maili
On 17/08/2010 03:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that it is a very interesting proposal, that could work very well in
specific circumstances, and I'd be willing to see it tried as an experiment,
if the Board buys into it. Do we have any such projects pending or already
in the Incubator?
I'
Greg Stein wrote:
> Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> > I view this as potentially the crux of the problem - people who aren't
> > stakeholders in the community shouldn't have a say. Right now, they
> > feel they do. So, if we want to mandate at least 3 mentors - fine,
> > but that must come at the cos
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