RE: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-06 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Henri Yandell wrote: >>> I very much like the idea of the PPMC -> Incubator PMC relationship >>> modeling the board whenever possible. >> Keeping in mind that the PPMC has no actual standing, so the vote still >> requires the standard 3 +1 and

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-06 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 6, 2008, at 1:08 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 06 June 2008 09:26, Craig L Russell wrote: Just so I'm clear on the proposal, if the PPMC votes in private, and no Mentors or PMC members vote, the vote passes with 15 non-binding +1 votes, and no binding votes, then lazy consensus

RE: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: > I very much like the idea of the PPMC -> Incubator PMC relationship > modeling the board whenever possible. Keeping in mind that the PPMC has no actual standing, so the vote still requires the standard 3 +1 and more +1 than -1 from PMC members. Which is why we always encou

RE: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin, To summarize you are proposing the following change: > After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > calls a vote on the Incubator PMC private list to: > After completing the vote on the PPMC list, the proposer > *sends a note to* the Incubator PMC private list And change:

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding > the vote email with a cover s

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Craig L Russell
Just so I'm clear on the proposal, if the PPMC votes in private, and no Mentors or PMC members vote, the vote passes with 15 non-binding +1 votes, and no binding votes, then lazy consensus (no +1 vote from any PMC member) admits a new committer to Apache? Thanks, Craig On Jun 3, 2008, at

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Santiago Gala
El jue, 05-06-2008 a las 08:21 -0400, Jim Jagielski escribió: > On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > > --- > > > > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > > --- > > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > > Incubator private list.

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Guillaume Nodet
+1 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding th

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Matthieu Riou
Same here. +1. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1. > > I very much like the idea of the PPMC -> Incubator PMC relationship > modeling the board whenever possible. > > Hen > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-05 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --- I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: --- Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-04 Thread Henri Yandell
+1. I very much like the idea of the PPMC -> Incubator PMC relationship modeling the board whenever possible. Hen On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) li

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-04 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you see infra checking that the account requests that they > receive have been voted on according to this procedure? The account reqs from the PPMC should CC Incubator PMC. So, the responsibility is on the Inc

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...I like the concept of expanding this for committers > as well for Incubation, so there. I don't like needless 'dual > voting', but I do want the IPMC to have the chance to execute > oversight +1 to your propos

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 I struggled a lot with the current guide to do two things: 1. Give the PPMC experience in doing things that as a PMC they will have to do, while at the same time, 2. Give the incubator PMC oversight and the ability to step in if the PPMC acts incorrectly. So, assuming both committer a

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Alex Karasulu
Any practice for a podling's PPMC that exercises or simulates the processes expected of a mature PMC is worth adopting. +1 Alex On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > -jean > > Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > >> Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/g

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Jean T. Anderson
+1 -jean Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: --- Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding the vote email with a cover statement that this vote i

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1 Niall On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forward

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Greg Stein
+1 I'll make the edits. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separa

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator private list. The notice is a separate email forwarding th

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Sander Striker
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: [...] > I'd like to make the suggestion that we alter this to: > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice posted to the > Incubator priv

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Upayavira
I would be quite happy with the below. It reads sufficiently straightforwardly. Regards, Upayavira On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 13:29 -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > Currently on http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html, we have: > --- > Vote on the podling's private (PPMC) list, with notice poste

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quick question, haven't thought thru, but raising it here...Does it make > sense to align voting in a new committer with > "Voting in a new PPMC member"? (on the same page)? Makes sense to me. The policy for IPMC oversi

Re: INCUBATOR-57 aka IPMC votes to ratify PPMC committers

2008-06-03 Thread Davanum Srinivas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quick question, haven't thought thru, but raising it here...Does it make sense to align voting in a new committer with "Voting in a new PPMC member"? (on the same page)? thanks, dims Justin Erenkrantz wrote: | Currently on http://incubator.apache.o