Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-07 Thread Mark Little
when I followed this thread in gmail. Martijn On 10/6/06, Mark Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In which case I apologies if I got the context wrong. Let's please just collectively shake hands (hard to do via email I know) and agree to buy each other some drinks if we ever catch

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-06 Thread Mark Little
In which case I apologies if I got the context wrong. Let's please just collectively shake hands (hard to do via email I know) and agree to buy each other some drinks if we ever catch up face-to-face. All the best, Mark. On 6 Oct 2006, at 22:29, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN P

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-06 Thread Mark Little
On 6 Oct 2006, at 21:34, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Little wrote: 1) ASF is a meritocracy. And people learn by questioning, not by being passive observers! Actually, I think that's patently false. You never learned anything f

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-06 Thread Mark Little
On 6 Oct 2006, at 21:08, Henri Yandell wrote: Replying from the peanut gallery because the friction is getting too high. On 10/6/06, Mark Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6 Oct 2006, at 18:10, Leo Simons wrote: > > Erm. > > 1) ASF is a meritocracy. And people le

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-06 Thread Mark Little
On 6 Oct 2006, at 18:10, Leo Simons wrote: On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Mark Little wrote: On 5 Oct 2006, at 14:54, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Mark Little wrote: On 4 Oct 2006, at 23:20, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: You will, of course, infer and interpret events as you choose. It&#

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Little
On 5 Oct 2006, at 14:54, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Little wrote: On 4 Oct 2006, at 23:20, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: You will, of course, infer and interpret events as you choose. It's pretty obvious to me, a complete outsider,

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-05 Thread Mark Little
On 4 Oct 2006, at 23:20, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Little wrote: Is random denial of initial commiters typical? Not at all, in fact I'm confident that's never ever happened. The assertion that this decision is "rand

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
+1 On 2 Oct 2006, at 22:02, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Oct 2, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: -1. Of the people participating in a new project, the Mentors are the least capable of selecting a PPMC. I don't think that's true. At least not in the case of CXF. You mean it isn't alwa

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
It is useful information and thanks for it. I was simply trying to point out that there are other ways of managing an open source project and probably no one right way of doing things. Mark. On 2 Oct 2006, at 18:44, Garrett Rooney wrote: On 10/2/06, Mark Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
t. It only took 2 months for us to figure that one out. Mark. On 2 Oct 2006, at 18:20, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Oct 2, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Mark Little wrote: That kind of depends what you're used to now doesn't it? In some circles really getting involved actively can best be done

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
Like I said before: "Without wanting to open up flames about what constitutes a true "open" source project." Your statements are subjective. Mark. On 2 Oct 2006, at 17:57, Garrett Rooney wrote: On 10/2/06, Mark Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That kind of d

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
send CLAs, get committer access, then get involved. However, I feel like we've covered this before ;-) Mark. On 2 Oct 2006, at 17:41, Garrett Rooney wrote: On 10/2/06, Mark Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Without wanting to open up flames about what constitutes a true

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
On 2 Oct 2006, at 16:31, Daniel Kulp wrote: On Monday October 02 2006 10:54 am, Newcomer, Eric wrote: How could they contribute when they were not given access? The same way any non-commiter contributor contributes to a project: 1) JIRA - creating JIRA items, submitting patches, etc... I ad

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
Without wanting to open up flames about what constitutes a true "open" source project: if you're trying to build up a community then not erecting artificial barriers to entry is a good start. I've used the Redhat/JBoss example already, but there are others where the communities thrive and g

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
On 2 Oct 2006, at 08:17, Leo Simons wrote: At the formation of the project all members of the group were asked to submit signed ICLAs, which we did via fax and snail-mail. However, due to a problem with the fax, after 4 weeks they hadn't turned up and we re-submitted. This time, at the s

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Mark Little
On 1 Oct 2006, at 21:16, Daniel Kulp wrote: Justin, On Sunday October 01 2006 3:22 pm, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: We've seen an example of this with Celtixfire. So far, we're waiting for an explanation (as those discussions did not occur in a place where the Incubator PMC could provide an

Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-09-30 Thread Mark Little
lk privately within themselves, and any leaking of that information is considered a VERY bad thing to do. On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Mark Little wrote: Redhat were one of the supporters of the Celtixfire incubator project and discussed with the proposers to add Kevin Conner and myself to the

Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire

2006-09-29 Thread Mark Little
Redhat were one of the supporters of the Celtixfire incubator project and discussed with the proposers to add Kevin Conner and myself to the list of initial commiters. As part of this, our names were included in the proposal. Both Kevin and I are working on Redhat related projects and see a