+1 Accept Wave for incubation
(non-binding)
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Congrats! Subversion looks way more inviting when it has Apache in
front of it ;-)
Eelco
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The ASF Board just voted to approve the graduation of Subversion from
> the Incubator. We are now an official project of the Apache Software
>
I'm a bit late to this discussion, but nevertheless would like to
throw in my opinion.
As far as I know Click, the project has been stable for a while, and
doesn't encompass a crazy amount of code, and it's ambitions as a
framework are humble compared to some of the other projects mentioned
in thi
> No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get
> out of the Incubator is goodness. Too many podlings view the
> Incubator as a comfy place - I believe that the Incubator PMC needs to
> create more of a reason for projects to get in gear and graduate.
> This isn't college -
> I believe that allowing incubating releases to be treated as full Apache
> releases diminishes the Apache brand and makes incubation disclaimers moot.
I believe that if it says incubation in large letters, people will
understand that it is not a full Apache release. But we're both
guessing.
> W
+1 (non binding)
Eelco
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [X ] +1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central
>> Maven repository
>
> -Bertrand
>
>
Hi Ed,
Judging from http://jt.dev.java.net/, there is one active person on
the project, and now discussion or other signs of community
whatshowever. Wouldn't it be a good idea to start building up a
community on that site first?
Regards,
Eelco
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM, David S <[EMAIL P
[ x ] +1 Accept Click for incubation
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:
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[ x ] +1 Accept Empire-DB for incubation
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:
I sympathize with Martijn's hesitations. However, incubation is a
try-out period, so if the Empire-DB people think they can build a
functioning community during their incubation, I'd say go for it
> Thank you very much that you will spend time on my proposal.
Sure, no problem :-)
I could find any sources though. Do you use another repository than
the one mentioned on the sourceforge site, or do you still have to
check your sources in?
Cheers,
Eelco
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On Jan 31, 2008 9:24 PM, Neng Geng Huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Dear incubators:
>
> I am Huang Neng Geng. I would like to post my proposal about i18n4data, an
> i18n tool for java web application, that I would like to be incubated.
>
> Currently I cannot find any sponsors for this proj
On 1/5/08, Ting Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Currently, most of our developers are not native speaker of English. We
> have some difficulties to communicate in English orally.
> But we have enough language skill to communicate in written English.
> By the way, our English language skill are
[ x ] +1 Accept BlueSky for incubation
An excellent case for having the incubation process.
Cheers,
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> [ ] +1 Accept Shindig for incubation
> [ ] 0 Don't care
> [ ] -1 Reject for the following reason :
+1
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> Ask people to self nominate - I imagine often inactive commiters won't
> put themselves forward, removing any issue. Then maybe a review of the
> list by the the mentors and proposed PMC Chair. If there are issues it
> can be discussed in the community and if theres disagreement then
> vote. I im
> I would agree with reviewing committers at graduation, but how do we
> implement that?
I would say that this depends on the judgment of the mentors, and it
is probably more important to evaluate the role they would be playing
in the project once it is over to Apache, than what happened before
en
> Same here. I think a good way to address the "short way to committership"
> problem is to make sure people really committed consistently during the
> lifetime of the poddling when the project effectively graduates.
There's something to say for that, though I think you should take
activity on the
> 3) Limit the number of new non-ASF initial committers for incubating projects
> People who were not ASF committers but come in via a newly incubating
> project do not get their commit rights via the normal ASF meritocracy
> rules.
>
> We might want to limit the number of such commiters, to limit
+1
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[ x ] +1 Accept Buildr project for incubation
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Reject for the following reason :
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> Here is a proposal for Buildr incubation. Buildr is a simple and intuitive
> build system for Java projects written in Ruby (and based on Rake). The
> complete proposal is at [1] and also reproduced at the end of this e-mail.
>
> Feedback and questions are very welcome! Mentors volunteering too :
[ x ] +1 Accept Composer project for incubation
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> Hmm. Can't say that I've ever perceived REST as much more than a
> buzzword
One of these things that started out as an architectural pattern, and
got hijacked for a thousand different interpretations. If it 'has'
REST, it's gotta be good ;-)
Eelco
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On 9/25/07, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to call the Incubator PMC to vote to incubate the proposed
> Pig project. Discussion on this list evidenced broad interest in this
> project, which bodes well for its ability to build a diverse developer
> community.
>
> http://wik
On 9/24/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Speaking just for myself, I find the name unusual but not offensive
> or even provocative. The fact that you wouldn't eat an animal doesn't
> mean you deny its existence...
And they make good pets in many cultures and are generally
acknowled
[ x ] Yes, I think the Ivy podling is ready to graduate as a subproject of Ant
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> I would like to propose a new Apache project named Sling. The proposal
> text is attached to this message and can also be found at [1].
+1.
It seems to be primarily focussed on content delivery, not so much
interactivity, right? As such it would handle a sub set of what most
other web framework
+1 (non-binding).
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[ x ] +1 Good enough
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What have others done to workaround the bootstrapping problem for code
that is currently internally licensed / restricted distribution before
the proposal is accepted and a grant can be executed?
My understanding is that whether projects get accepted for incubation
don't have to do much with the
On 6/20/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We just received confirmation that the Board has established Apache
Wicket as a project.
I would like to thank the Incubator PMC and all the others that have
supported Wicket during the incubation for their guidance, effort and
time.
THANK
Big +1 for me. It's a very useful scripting language that is easy to
extend, easy to integrate with Java, easy to debug and is very fast.
I've used it in two real-life projects so (though for simple things)
and it always worked great for me.
Eelco
On 5/9/07, Siegfried Goeschl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ x ] use standard repositories
[ ] relocate repositories under /www.apache.org/dist/incubator
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Unless they don't download it via your link, or they download more
than once (getting copies on multiple machines?), or any number of
other things that can throw your numbers off. It's a losing battle
for statistics that IMO aren't very useful anyway. All download
counts are good for is ego stro
I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself
ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't
understand what the point is of having an audit of anything short of
a build artifact.
Yes, that would be strange :) However, in the case of Wicket, we are
tal
It might be good to know that on 30th April, there is Queensday
(Dutch guys know how to celebrate... :))
It might be a little bit too much flag waving for tourist, but in
general if the weather is nice, it can be a fun day. Be warned though,
Amsterdam will be *very* busy.
Also good to know for
Instead of reinventing the wheel of
building yet another set of Ajax components, it uses existing Ajax
toolkits such as Dojo, etc. Does RCF use its own Ajax toolkit or uses
some third party Ajax toolkit?
Even though toolkits such as Dojo are high quality and have a broad
feature set, it is not a
It sounds like the wicket.* -> org.apache.wicket.* change is to happen in 1.3
from the pointers you gave,
Yep, that change will be done shortly. Maybe this weekend.
yet the "alpha" is not there yet. Is that correctly understood?
Indeed. We first want to have a release that passes here, and w
> Well, this was
> where the problem was then: we thought confluence was going to be
> supported, but was kind of in the beta phase.
Anyone use gmail? Anyone use it while it was still "beta"? :-)
Heh. I actually meant that ASF's support for Confluence was in beta.
Had we known (before spending
By joining the foundation, we would hope that at least some of the
project volunteers willl go on to become Members, and accept
responsibility for the Foundation. But, up front, I'm not sure that we
are communicating our implicit hope that every committer will become a
Member, and that we all shar
Top three reasons why a project should join the ASF
1. A development community shares our core values of collaboration,
transparency, and responsiblity.
Yes. But a project hosted at say Sourceforge can share those values
equally (or sometimes even better imo, as they don't have to cope with
pol
Allow me to make this clear. Confluence is not part of the ASF
infrastructure. We made a machine available for it because a very
few people are so used to badly designed Java servlet interfaces
that they actually prefer a wiki that goes down on a regular basis,
and those people promised to do al
On 11/9/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please turn your rant into something constructive. join the infra
mailing list and help out where you can.
I don't think that's the point though. Maybe it sounded a bit rough,
but I agree with Igor that a remark like 'If the cwiki maintain
> Imo ASF has enough written and unwritten rules. Following discussions
> on this forum since a few weeks feels like making the transition from
> a small young company to a large old one, where procedures and
> politics are more prevalent than a more practical 'can do' spirit.
It's also often the
On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Endre Stølsvik wrote:
>
>> My two (probably rather worthless) cents:
>
> Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and
> should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of
None of the core team I'm afraid. There are a couple of people on this
list I know have been using Wicket. Maybe they would be interested?
Eelco
On 9/18/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 9/18/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alas, I can&#x
Alas, I can't make it to ApacheCon. Hopefully some other time. I
removed Wicket from the list.
Have fun all,
Eelco
On 9/18/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As of right now, we have 16 volunteers for the ApacheCon Incubator
fast track session on Thursday October 12, 4:30pm-6:30
Just curious: what kind of issues does it track down?
Eelco
On 9/14/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i have a basic tool that i've been running against the source releases
recently. it's simple but helps to track down some basic issues. no
documentation.
would this tool be
On 9/6/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+1 on five minutes.
I'd like to do such a talk on Trinidad
(I guess it's lightning like ever... w/o slides and box, but beer ;) )
5 minutes... I'd have to wear my naked-girl T-shirt then ;)
Eelco
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Do we have podlings that are interested in presenting?
I'm not sure at this time whether I can make it to Austin, but if I
can, I would certainly be interested in trying to sell Wicket in 15
minutes.
Cheers,
Eelco
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I didn't object... I voted -0 based on the information I was pointed
out, which (as you said) is not a very good comparison point.
*shrug*
Sorry if I came across too strongly. Igor pointed out my reply had a
bit of a zealous tone to it. My only goal was to explain the idea
behind Wicket a bit.
On 8/24/06, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/24/06, Ersin Er <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
> Wicket vs. Struts: http://www.wicket-wiki.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Struts
Bleh. That page confuses a lot of things. It conflates disparate
components (e.g. Struts and JSP) in order to form opini
IMHO none of the concerns raised in all the threads over the last weeks
prevent a +1 on starting incubation. That doesn't mean all concerns have
been sufficiently addressed - I still see bumps in the road ahead but
I'm guessing the wicket community sees them now, too, and I'd like to
see them do j
Oh, please. We've had a fraction of the outages experienced by either of
them, and if I take into account the number of times I have had network
splits, much less been unable to participate in real-time, on Freenode,
compared to the nicely asynchronous nature of e-mail, it isn't even a close
comp
On 8/15/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Ian Holsman wrote:
> It isn't the individuals who make the decision, but the community
> as a whole.
> If they feel more comfortable using X to communicate then fine.
>
> If a individual doesn't like the method th
> Hmm, that's not universally true though - Over the last year or so,
> SF mailing lists have have various /prolonged/ outages whereas
> Freenode IRC has not (as far as I know).
We don't use SF infrastructure.
--- Noel
But ASF has had infrastructure outages the last year, just like
cod
Well, what can I say other that there seem to be different opinions on
the issue. Maybe those different opinions can be summarized like this:
a) IRC is harmful for open development
b) IRC is not harmful for open development per se and can in fact be a
useful additional communication channel *if*
The community learns about each other in a shared, non-exclusionary
method. Private Email/IM/IRC does NOT foster that.
Public IRC, free for anyone to join, at a channel that is 'officially'
published/ promoted however, does. Like I stated earlier, I actually
believe that since we started suppor
A regularly scheduled IRC chat does work but if IRC is a key part of
day-to-day execution then IMO that's a problem from the global
perspective. Of course YMMV.
Just depends on the people. Many people on the Wicket channel use
Wicket for their day jobs and work on the OSS part in the evenings.
T
i think in general it works out well. we formulate and refine ideas on irc
for a couple of hours and then post a summary to the devel list. after a few
hours of real time communication the idea is usually flashed out enough to
be a good base for a longer/slower-paced discussion on the list.
I se
It'll be pretty hard to get a good search engine ranking for that though.
Eelco
On 8/8/06, Sakala, Adinarayana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I like Cricket.
"Apache Cricket", I already started to think of some cool logos for this ;)
- Adi
> -Original Message-
> From: Joyce, Sean (Sam)
>
IMHO the incubator should not impose timescales or a schedule on a
project but a project may decide to impose a timescale on itself.
My thought is that a time scale would be part of the proposal. If that
proposal is voted in, it would also mean the time scale is excepted
and thus - unless urgent
On 8/4/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eelco Hillenius wrote:
>> I understand that there are some specific circumstances in this case,
>> but in general I believe this sort of criteria is why we get
>> complaints that it's impossible to "
I just realized I did that (too). My excuses for that, and I'll resend
my offending message with a proper subject name.
Eelco
On 8/4/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Everyone...
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> Coach,
>
> If you don't view your question as related to the vote, would
I understand that there are some specific circumstances in this case,
but in general I believe this sort of criteria is why we get
complaints that it's impossible to "innovate" at Apache any more. We
require all the grunt work of innovation to occur outside of Apache.
The issues of an open speci
Thanks for explaining Robert. Makes sense.
Eelco
On 8/1/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/1/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Most users should not be using Incubator code. Only those who are committed
> > and willing to trust
Most users should not be using Incubator code. Only those who are committed
and willing to trust that the project will do well here and eventually
become an ASF project.
Remember that most people don't believe that Incubator projects should even
have a user@ list, only a dev@ list.
I'm new to
Second that. Though we should be pretty near beta and a more stable
API. I think models are the last part we're debating right now. We
plan to stabilize 2.0's API within the next two months.
Eelco
On 7/31/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hi Ross, great to hear you are enjoying wick
Time scale for Wicket 2.0 is to start out releasing betas within two
months. We plan to finish Wicket In Action the next few months - say
october - and we really want the 2.0 API stabilized by then, as we're
covering 2.0. The major changes we had in mind for 2.0 have been in
for a few months now,
On 7/27/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nice proposal. Seems like a no-brainer. More Dutchies at apache is
always a good thing ;)
These Dutchies should get a life ;)
> * Chris Turner is from the UK and works as an independent consultant.
> He does not intend to move with us to Apac
h Open Source ===
>
> Most of the developers have been actively involved in multiple other
> open source projects for years (jakarta regex, Eclipse plugins,
> jWebUnit, Subclipse, SquirrelSql, JetSpeed, etc). But for all of the
> developers the involvement in Wicket currently is the major
gt; countries.
> >
> > All contributors come from a software background, but we - informally -
> > have some different tasks. For instance, Martijn is in charge of the
> > releases, Gwyn of maintaining the WIKI and possibly more site related
> > things and Jonathan provid
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