On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
>> I personally think that the exit criteria are good as they are (in
>> hindsight, Abdera is a good example of a project that graduated with
>> barely enough diversity of active
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Jukka,
> Not so sure... because that dist may contain code that we may not allow.
Personally I'd be happy with a plan from the Subversion team that
shows how they're going to address any issues that may be raised in
the review.
BR,
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> My point above was the Board, at least in the past(*), has *not* been
>> happy about the average duration.
>
> The way I see it, there are three main things we could do to shorten
> the
What happen to this release?
The links in this post are no longer valid, and the Download page
http://incubator.apache.org/wink/downloads.html shows no sign of a
1.0-incubating release...
Cheers
Niclas
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Nicholas Gallardo
wrote:
> The Wink community has voted on
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
> wrote:
>
>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
>> to.
>
> That would a
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 22:41, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 21:09, Ralph Goers
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>
There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
>>>
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 21:09, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
>>>
>>> * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.o
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 22:17, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 21:09, Ralph Goers wrote:
>...
>> I am fine with doing everything as if this was a TLP with the two exceptions
>> that 1) the main page should say it is still in incubation 2) it is still
>> under the umbrella of the IPM
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 21:09, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
>>
>> * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
>> * placing the source code at /subversion/ rather than
On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
>
> * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
> * placing the source code at /subversion/ rather than /incubator/subversion/
>
> We are hoping to minimize over
- Original Message
> From: Greg Stein
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:54:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 17:35, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> >...
> >
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 17:35, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>...
>> Neither 1.6.6 nor the upcoming 1.6.7 are Apache-branded releases. The
>> input that I received was that that was insufficient -- a branded
>> release was necessary.
>
> I haven't seen that discussion, but unless you actually poll gene...@i
- Original Message
> From: Greg Stein
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:58:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > -
On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato > wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all.
The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do
we plan
to.
That would a completely n
contrib/ has been removed from the packaging scripts, and won't ship with 1.7.
In other news, the box that builds the nightly tarballs is back online, albeit
with a new disk, so it'll take me a day or two to get it back up. When it
does, I'll point people there, and you can see what a typical t
Dims: Exactly.
The svn devs have been talking off/on what to do about contrib/ for
nearly a year. Various options: simply toss it and wait for people to
cry and do something to fix it; somehow get it all relicensed (one of
the contributors already said "no"); etc etc.
Current consensus seems to b
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Jukka Zitting
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:25:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
>> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>>
Jukka,
Not so sure... because that dist may contain code that we may not allow.
Greg,
Is there any code in there that is not Apache compatible? i see some in the
contrib section...
http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/contrib/client-side/svn-clean
thanks,
dims
On 11/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jukka Zi
- Original Message
> From: Jukka Zitting
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:25:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Unfortunately, some documentation needs to be brought in sync.
>
> See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
I'm nitpicking, but even there we only ask the podlings to
"demonstrate ability to create Apache releases"
(i'm really short of time ATM so apologies in advance if i'm very slow
to respond)
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:11, William A. Rowe Jr.
> wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>>
>>> The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of
>
Now that you have explained :) +1 from me.
-- dims
On 11/10/2009 02:43 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
LOL
Well... the problem is that an "svn mv" from /incubator/subversion/ to
/subversion/ introduces an artificial breakage in the history. It is
actually quite disruptive for tracking history (which is
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
* moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
* placing the source code at /subversion/ rather than /incubator/
subversion/
We are hoping to minimize overall disr
LOL
Well... the problem is that an "svn mv" from /incubator/subversion/ to
/subversion/ introduces an artificial breakage in the history. It is
actually quite disruptive for tracking history (which is very
important to us).
(and yes, because of that history issue, I personally have no problem
put
The project status will stay there and be maintained as long as we're
incubating. That's my initial draft to get it into the system. I need
to spend more time with it (but have spent time getting other
discussions/tasks "into the pipeline"). I'm just about out of that
stuff, so will go update that
Personally i am ok with #1, but i am not sure if "svn switch --relocate" too
much of a burden for you guys :)
On 11/10/2009 02:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
* moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
* placing the
How about the website ? (I can not find any information about the
project, mentors, committers etc.. )
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/subversion.html
-Deepal
> There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
>
> * moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 14:23, Garrett Rooney
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>>> Subversion community has never rele
There are two other issues to discuss for the Subversion podling:
* moving the mailing lists directly to @subversion.apache.org
* placing the source code at /subversion/ rather than /incubator/subversion/
We are hoping to minimize overall disruption to the community with a
move to incubator space
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
> wrote:
>
>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
>> to.
>
> That would a
Consider this withdrawn for now.
I'll resubmit when we think we're nearing time for graduation.
Cheers,
-g
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:17, Greg Stein wrote:
> Hello IPMC,
>
> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
> a release before graduation.
>
> As we understand
- Original Message
> From: Greg Stein
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 11:00:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Request for Waiver of "Make a Release" requirement for
> Incubator graduation
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:54, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > - Orig
I agree with the following, i don't think a waiver is needed right now...
> "This is a graduation issue, why can't it just wait
> until then and say in the graduation proposal there's not been a
> release but its not necessary because of x y z."
thanks,
dims
On 11/10/2009 01:49 PM, ant elder wr
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:51, Luciano Resende wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> Hello IPMC,
>>
>> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
>> a release before graduation.
>>
>> As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:54, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Luciano Resende
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:51:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Request for Waiver of "Make a Release" requirement for
>> Incubator graduation
>>
>>
Before graduation, I expect ALL podlings to, at some point, present the
Incubator PMC with some artifacts that the podling community feels meets the
Apache legal requirements. I don't care if said artifacts are a "release" or
a nightly snapshot or a one off, but I expect to see such artifact
- Original Message
> From: Luciano Resende
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:51:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Request for Waiver of "Make a Release" requirement for
> Incubator graduation
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > Hell
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Hello IPMC,
>
> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
> a release before graduation.
>
> As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
> demonstrate to the podling how releases are made at the ASF.
Greg Stein wrote:
> I have no idea why the term "Board" even comes up in your response.
> What's that got to do with my problems with the IPMC attempting to
> impose make-work on the svn podling?
Because when you post to a broad-list such as general@, you are
communicating to all incubating podlin
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Hello IPMC,
>
> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
> a release before graduation.
>
> As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
> demonstrate to the podling how releases are made at the ASF.
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
> a release before graduation.
>
> As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
> demonstrate to the podling how releases are made at the ASF.
> Packaging, licensing, signing, placement int
Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: William A. Rowe Jr.
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:08:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
>> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>
>> Greg wrote:
>>> Look
Mark Phippard wrote:
>
> I do not believe the project wants to be in the business of providing
> binaries and we have an existing ecosystem of people that are
> providing them successfully.
As long as non-committer artifacts aren't hosted here, that is no trouble.
If nobody on SVN wants to create
Branko Čibej wrote:
>
> Wait a minute. Are you implying that the "project" *should* release
> binaries? Wouldn't such a requirement apply to, say, APR, to keep this
> close to home?
s/should/may/
Greg pointed out I make win32 binaries and these are not mandated, I do so
only because I trusted th
I have no idea why the term "Board" even comes up in your response.
What's that got to do with my problems with the IPMC attempting to
impose make-work on the svn podling?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:03, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Ro
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:02, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> We're making a 1.6.7 release in the next 2-3 weeks, as I stated
>> before. The Incubator can see how that works (I also gave pointers to
>> 1.6.6).
>
> +1 Since Subversion release p
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:11, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>> The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of
>> releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that
>> the PMC is "in charge" of the release, and is therefore legally liable
- Original Message
> From: William A. Rowe Jr.
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:08:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
> Greg wrote:
> > Look at the context. Being asked to t
Hello IPMC,
The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
a release before graduation.
As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
demonstrate to the podling how releases are made at the ASF.
Packaging, licensing, signing, placement into the distrubtion/mi
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of
> releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that
> the PMC is "in charge" of the release, and is therefore legally liable
> for it. The IPMC can do whatever it likes around releases, as
Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr.
> wrote:
>
>> Quite frankly, all svncorp releases could, with reasonable documentation
>> [read: mailing list archives, CLA's and code grant] be licensed as ASF
>> releases under the AL 2.0, irrespective of their internal ar
Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Rowe, Jr.
> wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>>
>>> Podlings should be shepherded *out* rather than held *in*.
>> Hmmm... here you go again. Do you really believe there's a mentor here
>> who doesn't want to be 'done' with their task at h
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> We're making a 1.6.7 release in the next 2-3 weeks, as I stated
> before. The Incubator can see how that works (I also gave pointers to
> 1.6.6).
+1 Since Subversion release procedures already meet most Apache
policies, reviewing any past
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:52 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wrote:
> Mark Phippard wrote:
>>
>> I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
>> provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
>> compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon,
William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> Mark Phippard wrote:
>
>> I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
>> provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
>> compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB
>> and libintl support. Of
Mark Phippard wrote:
>
> As an SVN committer, I can say that this is not something that is of
> concern to me (and I dare say I probably speak for all or at least
> most of the other committers when I say that).
Thanks for that reassurance...
> Finally, I will also add that we have had our SVN C
Mark Phippard wrote:
>
> I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
> provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
> compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB
> and libintl support. Of the three, the only thing an Eclips
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:23, Kevan Miller wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>...
>> And that is exactly what I'd like to do. But when the Incubator
>> *imposes* requirements of release that does not meet the project's own
>> quality guidelines, for an audience of zero, the
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:22, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>...
>> The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of
>> releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that
>> the PMC is "in charge" of the release, and
I like Leo's proposal. With PMC members mentoring multiple projects, it
is really a burden to try and get 3 votes for a release.
Shanti
Leo Simons wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> Igor Burilo wrote:
>> Michael, sure Neon and Serf are optional and it’s absolutely correct from
>> the legal point of view. But in this case SVN should work without DAV
>> support, which is important for end-users.
>>
>> When we talk about li
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
> wrote:
>
>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
>> to.
>
> That would a
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> My point above was the Board, at least in the past(*), has *not* been
> happy about the average duration.
The way I see it, there are three main things we could do to shorten
the average duration of incubation:
1) Relax the exit criteria:
Igor Burilo wrote:
> C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>
>>> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>>> use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently
>>>
> ship
>
>>> Neon in a separate tarball from Subversion's core code for the conv
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
> wrote:
>
>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
>> to.
>
> That would a co
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato
> wrote:
>
>> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
>> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
>> to.
>
> That would a
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:16, Blair Zajac wrote:
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>>> use an education about why this particular c
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr.
> wrote:
>> Leo Simons wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's what I understand:
>>>
>>> 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs
>>> 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
> to.
That would a completely new philosophy for an Apache project, which always aimed
v
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. > wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING
podlings
how to work here at Apache.
I'm a little confused. I'm reading a really long rant here, but
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Mark Phippard wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>>> use an education about why this particula
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>> ...
>> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>> use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently ship
>> Neon in a separate tarba
C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>
>>I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>>use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently
ship
>>Neon in a separate tarball from Subversion's core code for the convenience
>>of our users, but if that's a probl
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> the Traffic Server podling "PMC" has deliberated hard, and we've decided
>>> that it's best for everyone
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>>
>> Here's what I understand:
>>
>> 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs
>> 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s
>> 3) from #1 and #2 it follows that all inc
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>> Yup. And I'll note that that "limbo" you describe has been an issue
>> with the Board for a long while now. That is why the Board instructed
>> the IPMC to request all podlings to list two items in their reports:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
>> how to work here at Apache.
>
> I'm a little confused. I'm reading a really long rant here, but I expect
> if you look at what nearly all men
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> The binaries doesn't matter, Apache releases source code, licensed under
> Apache license v2.0. And we only distribute certain licensed dependencies.
>
> As Greg said, we need to provide solutions that does not force downstream
> users into
The binaries doesn't matter, Apache releases source code, licensed under
Apache license v2.0. And we only distribute certain licensed dependencies.
As Greg said, we need to provide solutions that does not force downstream
users into the (L)GPL world. So, a project that requires these dependencies
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>> Sponsors
>> * Champion: Greg Stein
>
> Cool
>
>> * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
>> Rall
>
> Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 07:06, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
> wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>>
>>> Sponsors
>>> * Champion: Greg Stein
>>
>> Cool
>>
>>> * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
>>> Rall
>>
>> Once ag
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:23, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>...
>> * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
>> Rall
>
> Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
> It puts certain committers above others, an inequitable situation.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>>...
>> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
>> use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently ship
>> Neon in a separate ta
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>...
> I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
> use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently ship
> Neon in a separate tarball from Subversion's core code for the convenience
> of
Igor Burilo wrote:
>
> C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>>> Our goal is to bring our Serf integration up to the quality (in terms of
>>> both user experience and proper API adherence) of our Neon one so that
> Serf
>>> can safely become the new default DAV RA implementation, yes. It's mostly
>>> there, b
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>> Sponsors
>> * Champion: Greg Stein
>
> Cool
>
>> * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
>> Rall
>
> Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> ...I am seeking a
> waiver of the "make a release" "requirement". And you can simply wait
> for me to send that, rather than continuing to speculate about whether
> I'm going to rely on seniority or on experience
I like that - at first, the
C. Michael Pilato wrote:
>
>>Our goal is to bring our Serf integration up to the quality (in terms of
>>both user experience and proper API adherence) of our Neon one so that
Serf
>>can safely become the new default DAV RA implementation, yes. It's mostly
>>there, but still contains a few gotch
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> ...Let me put it another way: if the IPMC accepts a proposal with one
> mentor, then I'm fine with that one mentor acting on behalf of the
> IPMC without the need to constantly go back to the IPMC for approval
I see your point, and th
Leo Simons wrote:
>
> Here's what I understand:
>
> 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs
> 2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s
> 3) from #1 and #2 it follows that all incubator releases must be made
> by the incubator PMC
> If you see
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>
> Would a waiver be possible for Diversity (large project dominated by 1
> or 2 vendors)? For the minimum required binding votes (small
> communities of 2 committers)?
Such things have been requested, and granted in the past, based on the
demonstrated ability of the proj
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> Yup. And I'll note that that "limbo" you describe has been an issue
> with the Board for a long while now. That is why the Board instructed
> the IPMC to request all podlings to list two items in their reports:
>
> 1) when did you arrive?
> 2) what is left?
>
> Specifically
Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> From: Justin Erenkrantz
>>
>> Let me put it another way: if the IPMC accepts a proposal with one
>> mentor, then I'm fine with that one mentor acting on behalf of the
>> IPMC without the need to constantly go back to the IPMC for approval.
>> -- justin
>
> For non-releas
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Martijn Dashorst
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz
>> wrote:
>>> To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
>>> necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole.
>> Nope... The whole I
Greg Stein wrote:
> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
> how to work here at Apache.
I'm a little confused. I'm reading a really long rant here, but I expect
if you look at what nearly all mentors do in their respective podlings,
this is exactly what they provi
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> The Subversion project would like to join the Apache Software
> Foundation to remove the overhead of having to run its own
> corporation. The Subversion project is already run quite like an
> Apache project, and already counts a number of ASF Members amongst
> its committer
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> Sponsors
> * Champion: Greg Stein
Cool
> * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
> Rall
Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
It puts certain committers above others, an inequitable situation.
If the
Craig L Russell wrote on Mon, 9 Nov 2009 at 14:12 -0800:
> Hi Greg,
>
> I'm afraid that you have totally mistranslated my message and I have no idea
> why.
>
> I'm not trying to pick a fight.
>
> I'm trying to be reasonable.
>
> I don't perceive your reaction as positive.
>
> I'm not going to
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