I like Leo's proposal. With PMC members mentoring multiple projects, it
is really a burden to try and get 3 votes for a release.
Shanti
Leo Simons wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 04:07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Here's what I understand:
1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be made by PMCs
2) Apache rule: a release needs at least 3 binding +1s and more +1s than -1s
3) from #1 and #2 it follows that all incubator releases must be made
by the incubator PMC
If you see a way to fix this mess, please do. I suspect rule #1 is the
whopper that is just quite hard to get around and from it follows a
lot of other mess. I don't know exactly where that rule comes from,
but it is very old and it has always seemed very solid, too. IANAL.
Mechanically, it's possible to recharter Incubator PMC as a board committee
which has the authority to assemble and dissolve fully empowered PPMCs so
they could begin binding votes from the outset. The 'P' would change from
'pre' to 'provisional'. I don't know if this is what we want to do, or not.
The Board is trying to move away from Board committees.
The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It can redefine the rules of
releases as it pleases. The three +1 rule was developed to show that
the PMC is "in charge" of the release, and is therefore legally liable
for it. The IPMC can do whatever it likes around releases, as long as
that process specifically claims or disclaims liability.
Ok, that is interesting (and probably more workable than a big reorg).
I still think we should claim liability.
Could we, for example, have a release process that is lazy-by-default
from the IPMC side and still claim that the ASF gets liability?
for example, to release:
1) PPMC must vote for the release according to their rules (which
should at least match the 3 +1 / majority rule requirements)
2) at least one PMC member must vote +1 (usually the mentor)
3) if there are no -1 votes, the PPMC sends the general@ list a
request for a release ACK, after they get that ACK from a PMC member,
they wait for 72 hours, and if there are still no -1s, the release is
approved.
4) if there are any -1 votes, then the rule becomes the normal 3 +1s
from PMC members / majority
Downside:
* more complex
* increased dependency on single person to teach the "basics"
Upside:
* better reflects relationship between incubator and PPMC
* more responsibility for project
* hopefully fewer stalled releases
thoughts?
Leo
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