Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Bernd Fondermann wrote: JSecurity was deemed as a potential naming conflict risk (much in the same way Ki is now), so we dropped it, and finally came to a vote to change the name to Ki. But this resolution took over 4 or 5 months to finally come to a favorable vote, so we didn't want to go throu

Re: [VOTE] Publish Apache Sling Release

2009-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 12, 2009, at 3:09 PM, sebb wrote: On 12/05/2009, Craig L Russell wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Brian Fox wrote: Earlier, sebb wrote: I don't think it's OK to expect users to have to trawl through all the NOTICE and LICENSE files to find all the required information. IMO, th

Re: [VOTE] Publish Apache Sling Release

2009-05-12 Thread sebb
On 12/05/2009, Craig L Russell wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Brian Fox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's OK to expect users to have to trawl through all the > > > NOTICE and LICENSE files to find all the required information. IMO, > > > the top-level L & N files

Re: [VOTE] Publish Apache Sling Release

2009-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 12, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Brian Fox wrote: I don't think it's OK to expect users to have to trawl through all the NOTICE and LICENSE files to find all the required information. IMO, the top-level L & N files need to relate to the entire contents. Transitively or just for the first l

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote: > How do you check to ensure that the name is actually usable?  We did a lot > of due diligence on Ki, checked USPTO searches for patents/trademarks on Ki > and found not a single result, and performed lots of google searching and > still we'r

Re: Apache Wink Proposal

2009-05-12 Thread Upayavira
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 14:56 -0500, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote: > Thanks Kevan, do I need to call for that formally myself or does it > need to come from an Incubator PMC member? If you have sufficient mentors on your proposal, then anyone can do it. Just be sure to embed the proposal into the vote

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 22:58, Les Hazlewood wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Bernd Fondermann < > bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > What I don't get is why would anyone want to keep the name if there >> are potential overlaps or troubles ahead? >> I mean, there are probably bet

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Les Hazlewood
How do you check to ensure that the name is actually usable? We did a lot of due diligence on Ki, checked USPTO searches for patents/trademarks on Ki and found not a single result, and performed lots of google searching and still we're in the current predicament. How does one ever rest assured th

Re: [VOTE] Publish Apache Sling Release

2009-05-12 Thread Brian Fox
> > > > I don't think it's OK to expect users to have to trawl through all the > NOTICE and LICENSE files to find all the required information. IMO, > the top-level L & N files need to relate to the entire contents. > Transitively or just for the first level dependencies?

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote: > But this resolution took over 4 or 5 months to finally come to > a favorable vote, so we didn't want to go through that painful process all > over again, Suggestion; Allow people to submit suggestions for 1 week, then vote for 72 hours on t

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Les Hazlewood
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Bernd Fondermann < bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com> wrote: What I don't get is why would anyone want to keep the name if there > are potential overlaps or troubles ahead? > I mean, there are probably better (coding) and harder (releasing, > graduating) things to do

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > The main point is that you and I disagree on whether FixFlyer Ki and Apache > Ki are in the same domain. > > I have neither broad nor deep experience with securities trading systems, > but I do know what financial securities are. And I cla

Re: Apache Wink Proposal

2009-05-12 Thread Nicholas L Gallardo
Thanks Kevan, do I need to call for that formally myself or does it need to come from an Incubator PMC member? -Nick Nicholas Gallardo WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development nlgal...@us.ibm.com Phone: 512-286-6258 Building: 903 / 5G-016

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 21:46, Craig L Russell wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >>> On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz

Re: Apache Wink Proposal

2009-05-12 Thread Kevan Miller
On May 6, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote: All, Given that the discussion has quieted down after an initial flurry, I was hoping we could move this forward. If there are no further comments/concerns, could we call for a vote on whether or not to accept the proposal by Friday

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 12, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera > wrote: ...I'd like so

Re: [PROPOSAL] VXQuery

2009-05-12 Thread Vinayak Borkar
Paul, Thank you for your interest in the VXQuery engine. We are looking for mentors for the project. Would you be willing to be a mentor? Thanks, Vinayak Paul Fremantle wrote: Synapse would also be interested in using the XQuery implementation! Thanks Paul On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM,

Re: [PROPOSAL] VXQuery

2009-05-12 Thread Cezar Andrei
At Apache XMLBeans, we're also could make use of an XQuery engine for implementing selections and query on xbeans. Cezar On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Paul Fremantle wrote: > Synapse would also be interested in using the XQuery implementation! > > Thanks > Paul > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Les Hazlewood
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow > me to > let this go other than "nope, it's not the same". Otherwise, I feel > tha

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On May 12, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera > wrote: ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would al

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On May 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera > wrote: ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow me to let this go other than "nope, it's not the sam

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow me to let this go other than "nope, it's not the same". Otherwise, I feel that I need to bring up a vot

[VOTE RESULT] Publish Apache Sling Release

2009-05-12 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
The vote to release Apache Sling passed by lazy consensus. The following Incubator PMC members already voted for the release of the podling: Bertrand Delacretaz Felix Meschberger Carsten Ziegeler Jukka Zitting Thanks for voting; I'll upload the release on thursday. Regards Carsten Carsten Zieg

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow me to let this go other than "nope, it's not the same". Otherwise, I feel that I need to bring up a vote to put the issue to bed once an

Re: This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would allow me to > let this go other than "nope, it's not the same".  Otherwise, I feel that I > need to bring up a vote to put the issue to bed once and for all The only thi

This problem of mine

2009-05-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
So, those of you may be aware that the JSecurity/Ki podling currently is "administratively stuck" on a debate about its name. First some history then a brief explanation of my position. After a long and arduous debate the podling voted to change its name from JSecurity to Ki. After the vo

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Shindig Incubator 1.0

2009-05-12 Thread sebb
On 12/05/2009, Vincent Siveton wrote: > 2009/5/12 sebb : > > >> I was reliably informed that this was discussed on the Maven list in March > >> 2008 (subject: legal-discuss) and for binary distributions that are > created > >> by the war packager that contained 3rd party libraries the DEPENDE

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Shindig Incubator 1.0

2009-05-12 Thread Vincent Siveton
2009/5/12 sebb : >>  I was reliably informed that this was discussed on the Maven list in March >> 2008 (subject: legal-discuss)  and for binary distributions that are created >> by the war packager that contained 3rd party libraries the DEPENDENCIES file >> was sufficient to comply with ASF rules.

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Shindig Incubator 1.0

2009-05-12 Thread sebb
On 12/05/2009, Ian Boston wrote: > > On 12 May 2009, at 00:24, sebb wrote: > > > > Some NOTICE files start with: > > > = > > == NOTICE file corresponding to the section 4 d of== > > == the Apache Licen