On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 21:46, Craig L Russell <craig.russ...@sun.com> wrote: > > On May 12, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Craig L Russell wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On May 12, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ...I'd like someone to come up with a concise argument that would >>>>>> allow me to >>>>>> let this go other than "nope, it's not the same". Otherwise, I feel >>>>>> that I >>>>>> need to bring up a vote to put the issue to bed once and for all.... >>>>> >>>>> The only thing that I can say is that from the ASF's point of view >>>>> your project's name is "Apache Ki", no just "Ki". >>>> >>>> So, this is an interesting point. Can we change Apache Geronimo's name >>>> to Apache WebSphere and get a way with it? >>> >>> The main point is that you and I disagree on whether FixFlyer Ki and >>> Apache Ki are in the same domain. >>> >>> I have neither broad nor deep experience with securities trading systems, >>> but I do know what financial securities are. And I claim that someone >>> knowledgeable enough about computer systems to be in a position to evaluate >>> software for securities trading systems, should know the difference between >>> Java security and Securities Trading. >> >> I think you missed my point and that is that they are comparing their Java >> security system, not the financial instruments, against JSecurity's. > > Not what I said. > >> Both provide the same functionality where their vertical application >> overlaps with our horizontal application, that is, Java security. > > There's no evidence of this that I can see. Maybe we're looking at different > source documents? >> >> It is not unusual to see companies break out pieces a product line and >> open source them. > > So I went to the FixFlyer web site yet again, and can't find any evidence > that they are in the same application domain. > > Neither the Ki Certification web page > http://www.fixflyer.com/html-files/KiCertification.html nor their pdf > http://www.fixflyer.com/materials/software/Ki/FlyerKiCertification.pdf mentions > the word security. > > Craig >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Alan >> >>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> About the actual risks associated with FixFlyer's considering that >>>>> Apache Ki infringes on their trademarks, the best might be to ask >>>>> legal-disc...@apache.org. >>>> >>>> Do we want to get into this kind of tussle straight out of the gate w/ a >>>> podling that's been "using" this name for such short while?
What I don't get is why would anyone want to keep the name if there are potential overlaps or troubles ahead? I mean, there are probably better (coding) and harder (releasing, graduating) things to do than getting stuck about the name. Why don't you (as a podling) simply move on with another cool name, for example, just brainstorming here... "JSecurity"... or something similar? Have fun, Bernd --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
