clang vs free software

2014-11-22 Thread Ruben Safir
Helmut Eller : > > If nobody bothers with even > > considering the question, it would appear that it is not all that > > important... > > Maybe nobody bothers because using clang is easier than to fight with > FSF policies. <> It is never a good idea to exclude political and social ramifications

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-24 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Chris Lattner skribis: > On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Steven Bosscher wrote: >> (Hint: read http://vmakarov.fedorapeople.org/spec/ as an example of a >> better-supported point of view.) > > Unrelated to this thread, it would be great for this web page to get updated. > You may find it to be "

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Stallman
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Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-24 Thread Duncan Sands
Hi Vladimir, o Comparing LLVM and GCC on Fortran benchmarks. LLVM has no fortran FE and just quietly call system GCC. So comparison of LLVM and GCC on Fortran benchmarks means comparison of system GCC and a given GCC. a few people are working on LLVM based Fortran compilers. I'm not sure how

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:52:00PM -0500, Vladimir Makarov wrote: > o IMHO, the data in articles lack credability may be because a wrong > setup (by me or by phoronix). E.g. I tried to reproduce Scimark > results for GCC4.8 and LLVM3.3 from his article "LLVM Clang 3.4 > Already Has Some Performanc

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Vladimir Makarov
Sorry, I forgot that pdf file is not permitted. Therefore I am resending my email without it. On 1/23/2014, 5:56 PM, Chris Lattner wrote: On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Steven Bosscher wrote: (Hint: read http://vmakarov.fedorapeople.org/spec/ as an example of a better-supported point of view.

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Toon Moene
On 01/24/2014 12:12 AM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 23 January 2014 22:56, Chris Lattner wrote: Unrelated to this thread, it would be great for this web page to get updated. You may find it to be "a better-supported point of view", but it is also comparing against clang 3.2, which is from the

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 23 January 2014 22:56, Chris Lattner wrote: > > Unrelated to this thread, it would be great for this web page to get updated. > You may find it to be "a better-supported point of view", but it is also > comparing against clang 3.2, which is from the end of 2012, and a lot has > changed since

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Xinliang David Li
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Chris Lattner wrote: > On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Steven Bosscher wrote: >> (Hint: read http://vmakarov.fedorapeople.org/spec/ as an example of a >> better-supported point of view.) > > Unrelated to this thread, it would be great for this web page to get update

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Chris Lattner
On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Steven Bosscher wrote: > (Hint: read http://vmakarov.fedorapeople.org/spec/ as an example of a > better-supported point of view.) Unrelated to this thread, it would be great for this web page to get updated. You may find it to be "a better-supported point of view",

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Steven Bosscher
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > (Redirected to the proper lists, excluding emacs-devel.) This is not the proper list. "gcc@ is a ... list for general development discussions about GCC." (xf http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html). Most of this pointless discussion has nothing to d

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread David Edelsohn
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> Maybe nobody bothers because using clang is easier than to fight with >> FSF policies. > > Which is pretty close if not identical to my original point. Your original point came across as a complaint that GCC does not support plugins bec

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 23 January 2014 17:49, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > (Redirected to the proper lists, excluding emacs-devel.) Why do you think the gcc list is the proper place? > The clang people aren't just a technical challenge to GCC, they're a > philosophical/political one to the FSF as well. They are explic

Re: clang vs free software

2014-01-23 Thread Eric S. Raymond
(Redirected to the proper lists, excluding emacs-devel.) Helmut Eller : > > If nobody bothers with even > > considering the question, it would appear that it is not all that > > important... > > Maybe nobody bothers because using clang is easier than to fight with > FSF policies. Which is pretty