Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine and NATO

I first note that the US engineered a coup in the Ukraine to eject a pro-Russian President. I add that NOT having any former Warsaw Bloc or former Soviet Republic incorporated as a NATO state was explicitly promised prior to the USSR peacefully disintegrating. And how many nations has the US inva

Re: [FRIAM] Outbreak Simulation

I can't find the Zoom invite. Could you invite me? On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:26 AM Jochen Fromm wrote: > Nice simulation: > https://meltingasphalt.com/interactive/outbreak/ > > -J. > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >

Re: [FRIAM] break out!

I never received a link to click. On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:23 AM wrote: > Stephen, > > > > I thought the “break out” thing you did during the zoom meeting was > remarkable and revived the conversation dramatically. I think it might be > particularly useful in an academic setting. Could you d

Re: [FRIAM] VirtualFriam disconnect issue today

May I participate ? I don't seem to be getting a link . . . On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > Oops, VirtualFriam disconnected today. > > I set up a recurring Zoom FRIAM meeting with a paid account. I didn't > realize, though, that I couldn't have two different meetings goin

Re: [FRIAM] Z

That would be "overthrow of the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT BY THE Greek Fascist Junta (Regime of the Colonels)" Pat On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:04 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I saw that in Pittsburgh when I was a graduate student. It made a strong > impression on me but I hadn't thou

Re: [FRIAM] Kissing Kissinger

Kissinger misspelled the word “conscious” on page I. On Saturday, June 11, 2022, Steve Smith wrote: > Holy Moley! > > The references to Kissenger et. al.'s "The Age of AI: and our Human > Future" here lead me to find his 1950 Senior Thesis at Harvard (scanned > copy of the typewritten original

Re: [FRIAM] Sun After the Rain

BRILLIANT! My thanks to Deborah you for inspiring my day (and more). On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 8:17 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > > My wife Deborah publishes a weekly message that she sends to family and > friends. I thought this week's version might be appropriate for Friam. > > > From: Deborah Wim

Re: [FRIAM] ideas are lies

In my experience, Libertarian ideas when offered at any level above the most basic are almost always justifying the interests of those who control wealth. The key myth of Libertarianism is that those who control wealth on any given day MUST be morally worthy of this control. Which is nonsense. Th

[FRIAM] Libertarianism Is Not Fundamentally Nonsense . . . but It Usually Is as Applied in Conventional Political Discourse

ck would prefer to watch > The Voice and drink Budweiser over inventing mouse traps in his basement, > after having spent the last 8 hours being ordered around by someone half > his age in a flourescent lit cubicle. > > > > I don't agree that libertarianism is nonsense. But the sen

Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest

Economic Left/Right: -8.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54 On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:35 PM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > I took the test, and the only person left of me in the lower left-hand > corner is Pytor Alexeyevich Kropotkin, a Russian anarchist, socialist, > revolutionary economist. T

Re: [FRIAM] How to Repurpose Your Old Gadgets Step away from the trash bin!

Does anyone think there is anything to this ? I doubt that it addresses the free will argument, but it might be relevant to modelling information transmission within the organic nervous system . . . On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:30 PM

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

Prof. West has it right. Human intelligence requires melding intents. Solving mathematical algorithms requires no creativity or shifting of intentions. On Tuesday, July 20, 2021, Prof David West wrote: > Thirty something years ago, Alan Newell walked into his classroom and > announced, "over Chr

Re: [FRIAM] Object Oriented Ontology

I bought a copy. For real. On Thursday, July 5, 2018, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > I realize I'm that tool who always invites himself to these parties. But > I'm intrigued enough to read along with you. At first I was skeptical > because of this: > > https://philpapers.org/archive/BLAMSR.pdf > > Harman's o

Re: [FRIAM] Object Oriented Ontology

gt; > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick &

Re: [FRIAM] DOH!

Its big in Silicon Valley: see SBODN.com. Example: peter thiel's early studies on encouraging sheeplike behavior in humans. Think UBER with a corporate comic book explaining Carl Jung. On Friday, July 3, 2015, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Oh I am sorry > Organizational Psychology- someone who's

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

Hi Tom: Thanks for turning me on to this article. It's valuable to known that we are likely 10 EE15 degrees away from observing the true fundamentals of physics. On another note, the discussion of the "rationalists" v. "empiricists" crystallized in me how to best argue against Libertarian-hacks

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick > Reilly > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:13 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:*

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

e > pissed off by those same people. What I can’t yet work out is the > relation between these Libertarians and Marxists and the distinction > between rationalist and empiricist. > > > > Can you help further? > > > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Pr

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

I'm mainly worried that my educational session with Nick is boring everyone else. --- Pat On Monday, December 28, 2015, Nick Thompson wrote: > Grant, > > Aw. Come on. Try. I stipulate that it’s not easy. > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > >

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

ities that need to be better restrained and regulated. --- Pat On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:35 PM, gepr wrote: > FWIW, I'm very interested in your responses, being an ex-libertarian with > both marxist and observationalist friends. > > On Dec 28, 2015 1:35 PM, "Patrick Reil

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

; > > On Dec 28, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Reilly > wrote: > > Well, the main point I have (unless Nick's psychoanalysis of my thinly > submitted aggressiveness is the real story) is that I believe that there > are thin problems and thick problems, and that solvers of th

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

; > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick > Reilly > *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2015 2:35 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

.com/2012/06/06/thick-and-thin/ Pat On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > Thanks, Nick, for the research on “thick” and “thin.” > > > On Dec 28, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Patrick Reilly > wrote: > > Not my terms. > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:3

Re: [FRIAM] Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

> > > --- > Eric P. Charles, Ph.D. > Lab Manager > Center for Teaching, Research, and Learning > American University, Hurst Hall Room 203A > 4400 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20016 > phone: (202) 885-3867 fax: (202) 885-1190 > email: echar...@a

[FRIAM] Mathematicians as expert witnesses on gerrymandering

Of possible interest to those interested in a viable republic in the USA. LINK https://twitter.com/kf/status/827750147157221376 EXCERPT: tufts is doing a summer school to train mathematicians to be expert witnesses on gerrymandering https://sites.tufts.edu/gerrymandr/

Re: [FRIAM] Willful Ignorance

Lawrence Lessig is promoting his ideas on the topic of unbalanced influence and politics. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:25, Robert Cordingley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone wanted to know what we could do. Well, to break the connection between money and power which I thi

Re: [FRIAM] Election: Why So Close

Hola: The methods that the US political culture uses to discourage political involvement extend beyond merely fear mongering and wrecking the public educational system. Billions of dollars are spent every year to distract the public and degrade the quality of public discourse. The more

Re: [FRIAM] The FRIAM mind (was: 'Do robots dream of electric illusions? or Bladerunner, theRealist's Cut')

My name is Legion for we are many . . . On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:37 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: You are talking about the list as if it is a single entity (let us see how 'the list' responds), although it is composed of several independent individuals: Russ, Stephen, Glen, Douglas, to name a few. Ca

Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] Re: JavaScript ecology

Buongiorno Fabio: I will be in Italy for two and a half weeks celebrating my 25th wedding anniversary with my the love of my life. Could Diane and I buy you a glass of wine during our travels? Our current plans are to land in Rome on July 25th and wander by train generally towards Venice

Re: [FRIAM] Publishing Agreements (was "More mumbo-jumbo")

Hugh: I am an IP attorney based in Santa Cruz, CA. Would be pleased to give you some no-charge guidance, but not via a public forum. Feel free to call me at 1 831 332 7127 next week. --- Pat Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2009, at 20:13, "Hugh Trenchard" wrote: LOL, and thanks for these

Re: [FRIAM] Publishing Agreements (was "More mumbo-jumbo")

I will add that a Creative Commons license approach might be of interest to this community. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2009, at 20:23, Gary Schiltz wrote: Of course, all these arguments are moot with open source licenses. But then, I wonder how many people actually make money with op

Re: [FRIAM] Publishing Agreements (was "More mumbo-jumbo")

essor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles Cell phone: 310-621-3805 o Check out my blog at http://russabbott.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Patrick Reilly > wrote: I will add that a Creative Commons license approach might be of interest to this community. S

Re: [FRIAM] Chatroullete

I think that being "ahead of the curve" was originally referring to the desired state within the lift power curve describing the process of an airplane in taking flight. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2010, at 11:43, "Jochen Fromm" wrote: Sorry, I mean "ahead of the times" or "ahead of th

Re: [FRIAM] A brief history of mathematics

Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:48, Robert Holmes wrote: A series of 10 15-minute lectures from the BBC here. Good value. -- R FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Co

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

This is one of the few times that I support US military action. I have no doubt that our government will screw-up the endgame, of course. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alfredo Covaleda wrote: > > Is it necessary to open Pandora's Box? > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: NYT

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

That box done been opened over 50 years ago, Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2011, at 16:21, "ERIC P. CHARLES" wrote: All questions about necessity are of an "if, then" form. If we want to stop a military offensive aimed at the Libyan people, is it necessary to open Pandora's Box, ?... well

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

Robert Fisk speaks to this point. The Egyptian military officer class is a core element of the social structure of that country. Many of the young officers who were directed to shoot civilians sought the counsel of their own fathers (by cell phones), who forbade doing so. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at

Re: [FRIAM] Next Dictator

Only psychopaths have the sole criteria of maximizing perceived self-interest in making decisions. On Saturday, October 22, 2011, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > The idea that people maximize their individual interests is one of those crazy ideas that economists have to

[FRIAM] Fwd: Next Dictator

Sole criterion. (embarrassed laugh) -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Reilly Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011 Subject: [FRIAM] Next Dictator To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Only psychopaths have the sole criteria of maximizing perceived self-interest

Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

enous" people, is an extreme waste of energy and blood. Sincerely, Patrick Reilly On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Alfredo Covaleda wrote: > > My Doctrine is: America for the American Indians. I mean the real native > Americans from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego... like me or a

Re: [FRIAM] [632 Advisory] wordcrafting

V., Gestalt weaving. N., Gestalt weaver. On Nov 8, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Don Begley wrote: > That's nice. > > > On Nov 8, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> "Information Ecologist"?? > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lis

Re: [FRIAM] barcamp Santa Fe wiki

Can someone send me a link to the wiki? On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Don Begley wrote: > Those of you who are participating in the barcamp this weekend: the > password for the wiki is c4mp. Please feel free to update the pages > with information about yourselves and your presentations. we'll use

Re: [FRIAM] Pre-crime Insider mapping

Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system. Could be used to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs a judge's permission anymore? On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > quote from the article: > > "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection >

Re: [FRIAM] Pre-crime Insider mapping

will soon be labelled pre-crime symptoms. Who needs renaissance optics, ottoman music, outmoded utopias ? all very suspicious ! I guess I should be watching TV like everybody else... ciao, Joost. On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote: Sounds like a "promising" pre-

[FRIAM] Civilizations, Complexity and Compassion

The next significant evolutionary advance for cognitive life forms is more likely to be in the area of sharing information (and raising confidence and integrity levels) rather than in having smarter individuals. This may require a collateral increase in a tendency (and appetite) for compas

Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM group on LinkedIn

I agree. On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Mikhail Gorelkin wrote: I think it would be useful to create FRIAM group on LinkedIn. -- Mikhail Gorelkin FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Coll

Re: [FRIAM] just the facts

Of course, applying Occam's razor with an 18th century knowledge base yields "libertarianism". On Saturday, April 6, 2013, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Lather, apply Occam's razor, repeat. > > -- rec -- > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Nicholas Thompson < > nickthomp...@earthlink.net 'nickthom

Re: [FRIAM] just the facts

I'm gluten-curious and avoid ballpark hot dogs. On Saturday, April 6, 2013, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Fortunately we Pastafarian men of the cloth (tablecloth) do > not proselytize. > > --Doug > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Steve Smith > > > wrote: > >> >> Yep, I think 90% is in the ballpar

Re: [FRIAM] Nike Fuel Band

I use the Jawbone UP but a good friend is very happy with his Nike Fuel. On Friday, June 7, 2013, Owen Densmore wrote: > Anyone using one of these? Or are they just another joke. > >-- Owen > -- The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential informa

Re: [FRIAM] perplexed by trader joes

Hi Gillian, II advise laying off the hot Oolong tea until after the 4th, and then revisiting this issue. Pat On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Hi all I go to trader joes to get stuff being single they have a history > of selling stuff at a so-so cost but might (

Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

We've become Italy en route to landing as Indonesia. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > What happened? Is America bankrupt? Insolvent? How could this happen? > > -J. > > > Sent from Android > > > FRIAM Applied Compl

Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

Your children and grandchildren will suffer from this sabotaging of the US government. None of this is funny. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:25 PM, glen wrote: > Steve Smith wrote at 10/01/2013 03:49 PM: >> >> I'm not sure what they would be prosecuted *for*? Acting in bad faith? > > > We're not talk

Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

brevity to lead my sparse commentary to appear to be an attack of your messaging. On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM, glen wrote: > Patrick Reilly wrote at 10/01/2013 04:34 PM: >> >> Your children and grandchildren will suffer from this sabotaging of >> the US government. None of

Re: [FRIAM] Government Shutdown

rians to fail... they insist on personal choice being > paramount and then try to foist it on everyone else... paradox much? > > - Steve > >> >> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:59 PM, glen wrote: >> >>> Patrick Reilly wrote at 10/01/2013 04:34 PM: >>> >

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow

Snowden's supervisors should be arrested for dereliction of duty. Oh, but I forgot, anarcho-capitalism teaches that government employees, including military officers, can never be competent, effective, or preferable to profit-driven and self-interested contractors. Even in matters of espionage. BT

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow

I'd have much more respect for him if he'd stayed in the US and accepted the attendant risks acting on his ideals. On Friday, November 1, 2013, Steve Smith wrote: > The whole thing (Snowden's disclosures and the fallout from it) is riddled > with half-truths and misplaced strong rhetoric... I mea

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow

Well, One must admit that the original Tea Party acted in disguise and didn't stick around to get arrested. On Friday, November 1, 2013, Grant Holland wrote: > S'funny - I thought the Right celebrated illegal acts of political > protest. Remember the Boston TEA PARTY? > > > On 11/1/13 12:07 PM,

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow

Good argument. Still, if one elected heroism, one should act a bit heroically . . . On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > I agree with Joshua. All this biz about being honorable is fine when the > other side is too. But we have so much evidence that it isn't. > > I'm getting som

Re: [FRIAM] Ever read the Google Agreement you "signed"

They've cadged Danny DeVito for my role . . . On Friday, December 13, 2013, Nick Thompson wrote: > When is Pamela going to write a novel about the day that the Google Board > of > Directors decides that there is more money to be made in enforcing the user > contracts as written, rather than actua

Re: [FRIAM] dotcoin mining

Well, BtC can't be a currency, that's for sure. On Friday, December 20, 2013, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Greetings fellow technomacers > In light of the puzles around dot coin mining such as bitcoin: > There is a mining (big ass number making) technology that only Heizenberg > would understand. E

Re: [FRIAM] dotcoin mining

he rest of the currencies > we use. A hundred dollar bill is just a slip of paper without the belief > that it's worth something. > > Cody Smith > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Patrick Reilly < > patrick.rei...@ipsociety.net 'patrick.rei...@ipsociety.

Re: [FRIAM] dotcoin mining

t yet resolved. > > But when they are, BC may easily become the first internationally accepted > currency. Or at least a node in the "money is fungible" pipeline. > >-- Owen > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Patrick Reilly < > patrick.rei...@ipsociety

Re: [FRIAM] totalitarianism and cancer

Hola Todos: With no disparagement intended to Jochen, I will point out that the sacred texts of Judeo-Christianity are riddled with commandments of intolerance as well as love. God is on the record as demanding murder and worse for trivial acts or for simply living in the wrong valley. Pat

Re: [FRIAM] totalitarianism and cancer

Hi Steve: I guess my point is that one can prettify religious traditions with gentle filtering of their full legacy, but the context of their cultures can't be scrubbed by merely proposing that you intuit what a "true believer" would accept and reject from their texts. --- Pat On Monday, January

Re: [FRIAM] To Each According to its Degree: The Meritocracy and Topocracy of Embedded Markets : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

I see this as yet additional support that actually-applied Libertarionism is generally done so in service of, and benefit of, the established, rent-seeking and powerful actors of a technocracy. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014, Tom Johnson wrote: > Interesting study here, which suggests why farmers g

[FRIAM] Canada Souring on Neoliberal Leaders?

Question for Marcus: I live in Santa Cruz, CA, and my wife is dual national US/Can, so your thinking behind this comment could be very helpful to me: "Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too. I think I’ll cross that one off the list." Please expand. I'm not aware of either the

Re: [FRIAM] Javier Milei

AI drivel, eh? Sent from Gmail Mobile On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 16:29 Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > I asked MS Copilot and she gave the following answer: > > Me: > Please help clarify this for me? In an interview, Javier Milei, the > President of Argentina, made two seemingly contradictory claims:

Re: [FRIAM] Javier Milei

, and I > genuinely want to do so while maintaining positive and constructive human > interactions. If I misstepped, please let me know — I’m open to feedback. > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 05:02, Patrick Reilly > wrote: > >> AI drivel, eh? >> >> Sent from Gmail

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

Could someone please resend to the initial “whole story about Palantir”? I’ve been traveling and lost the the thread! Thanks in advance, ———. Pat Sent from Gmail Mobile On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 8:16 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2025, 6:02 PM steve smith wrote: > >> >>