Re: [FRIAM] 6 to 1, 12/2 to the other

2024-10-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
See https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255569778_Actual_Causes_and_Thought_Experiments For details --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 12:29 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Some of you know that in my last position a

Re: [FRIAM] 6 to 1, 12/2 to the other

2024-10-31 Thread glen
Since we're talking about Sabine and anastomosis, I found this video interesting" This Theory of Everything Could Actually Work: Wolfram’s Hypergraphs https://youtu.be/-yzdjziS-bo?si=w5av9XcTUqjodJ5V "The idea that the laws of physics are a sort of computation has a rather basic problem. It's

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Jochen Fromm
No, he is not a skilled negotiator at all. This is a myth, isn't it? He has no patience for long and complicated negotiations. He basically acts like a bully who demands loyalty, as James Comey reported. He is only good at lying and cheating and hiding that he cheated (which is the reason why he

Re: [FRIAM] 6 to 1, 12/2 to the other

2024-10-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
Some of you know that in my last position at Carnegie Mellon I was working on causal reasoning. We made a distinction between probabilistic causation (smoking causes cancer) and actual causation (dropping the bottle caused it to break). In the former case we used graphical models, specifically pa

Re: [FRIAM] 6 to 1, 12/2 to the other

2024-10-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
By the way when I said "simple directed graphs" above I should have said "Boolean networks". --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 12:32 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > See > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/2555697

Re: [FRIAM] Evolutionary transitions between egalitarian and despotic societies

2024-10-31 Thread Prof David West
two things: 1) It is kind of nonsensical to think of any kind of "evolution from egalitarianism to leadership and despotism." The notion of 'egalitarianism' never occurred to European thinkers until the 15-16th century when explorers discovered some Native American societies that exhibited this

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
EricS wrote: On 10/31/24 5:07 AM, Santafe wrote: ... The voting block that can cause the calamity is certainly a coalition of non-identical groups. If we think there are categories of Spontaneous Racists and Stimulated Racists (to borrow a term from spectroscopy), the part of the voting

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
An upside I could see of another Trump presidency is that economic productivity in the United States would further consolidate. States and municipalities would evolve more defensive mechanisms to preserve productivity and health of its businesses and residents.Areas that did not, would con

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
The Case for Trump I'm not suggesting that Trump is a model leader; he has many moral shortcomings. And yes, if we view the U.S. President as the de facto leader of the West, it's fair to ask: Can’t we do better? I also won’t debate whether someone like Harris might make a better president. My poi

Re: [FRIAM] Evolutionary transitions between egalitarian and despotic societies

2024-10-31 Thread glen
The model's interesting. The supplemental info can be found here: https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0263665 But it leaves me with a bit of an allergic reaction. Most of the variables (status, inequality parameter, number of relationships). The proportion of status distributed, r, is an excep

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
There seems to be a strong consensus in this group that Trump does not have a track record of being an effective negotiator, and his perceived bullying only reinforces this view. So, contrary to what I previously suggested, it’s not a separate issue. This topic has come up in various threads, and

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
 Jochen Fromm sed: No, he is not a skilled negotiator at all. Some people mistake (conflate?) bullying for "negotiating".  Musk is also a bully and I doubt anyone who has done business or tried to maintain personal relationships with him (e.g.  his children and their mothers, etc) will not

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
"I know you believe you understand what I think I said but what you heard is not what I meant"? On 10/31/24 4:28 PM, glen wrote: "you doubt anyone will not disagree". So if doubt+not transforms to, say, "am confident", then we get "you are confident anyone will disagree". Or if not+dis- cance

[FRIAM] What if Trump Loses? was: What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
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Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
Marcus - I totally defer to your brand of "morbid fascination".   I have my own deep streak but I think it is interrupted by a cross-cutting vein of hopium-rich optimism.  Your pithy "worst case/best case" ideations are exquisite. I will argue (against my own technophobic/neoLuddite nature)

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread steve smith
Pieter Steenekamp wrote: Isn't bullying and being a good negotiator two different things? One could be a bully and also a skilled negotiator, right? I'm not sure effective bullies bother to be particular effective at other negotiation strategies, but there is no logical contradiction...  but is

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Russ Abbott
To help prevent such a disaster, let's do our best to help people imagine what the world would look like if Trump wins. For example, Trump has said that one of his priorities would be to throw off the occupying army of invading immigrants and criminals. Ask people to think about how this occupying

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Santafe
The newspapers, and any number of writers, do a good job spelling all this out. I have this frustrated feeling that doing this misses the point that is driving the dynamic. One of the good things that Paxton emphasizes about what drives fascist movements from the ground up is the determined r

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Isn't bullying and being a good negotiator two different things? One could be a bully and also a skilled negotiator, right? I'm not an expert on Trump, so some of my assumptions may be off. For example, I assume Trump had a successful run as a property developer in New York. To achieve that, it se

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread glen
"you doubt anyone will not disagree". So if doubt+not transforms to, say, "am confident", then we get "you are confident anyone will disagree". Or if not+dis- cancel out, then we get "you doubt anyone will agree". We could also do some more sophisticated algebra and transform anyone+not into nob

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
If Trump had just invested the money he inherited in the S&P 500 he’d be richer. Whether there will be a payout on Truth Social is unclear. From: Friam On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2024 3:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] What if Trump Wins?

2024-10-31 Thread glen
I land somewhere between y'all. An important part of good negotiation is being willing to walk away from any deal. Since Trump doesn't care about anything but himself, he's willing to let the entire world burn, willing to walk away from any deal. The story about gaming the NYC code, that's not