Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-14 Thread Prof David West
True, citing exceptions to specific laws does not indict the **system**: *"We mean the entire legislative, executive, and judicial enterprise."* However, the way the phrase,* "no one is above the law,"* is popularly used, especially now and in the political context, it is not a systemic assertio

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-14 Thread Prof David West
Sorry Russ, but *"Nobody should be above the law if the rule of law has any meaning in a democratic society,"* is an absurd idea. Assuming the US is a democratic society (in some sense), I would defy you to find any existing law that does not have exceptions that place someone, in some role or

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-14 Thread John Kennison
From: Friam on behalf of Marcus Daniels Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 3:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; russ.abb...@gmail.com Subject: [EXT] Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance I don’t think that’s fair. It depends on the opp

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-14 Thread glen
I think that was Jochen that said it, not Russ. But your refutation is either a fallacy of ambiguity or composition. By "the rule of law", we don't mean the rule of any particular law ... like a city statute against walking your alligator down the street or whatever. We mean the entire legislati

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: tolerance of intolerance

2024-10-14 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes, it was me who argued that nobody should be above the law in democratic societies. Is it justified to cheat the cheater, to lie to the liar? From a moral perspective I would say perhaps yes, because it would mean to beat the opponent with his own weapons.But would it be justified for a gover