Nick, Looking for self-awareness in animals before language emerged feels to me
like searching for culture in anthropology before civilizations appeared.People
in anthropology study human societies, cultures and their development, but
sadly mostly in the time before it gets interesting (when rel
While the evidence for where endogenous DMT is generated still exhibits too
much uncertainty for any kind of confident assertion, I think consensus is
forming around the hypothesis that DMT is as much a neurotransmitter as any
other. But given that all the popular entheogens (DMT, LSD, Ψ, etc.)
Andrew Gelman's blog had a post this morning about his sister's research
into the acquisition of reasoning.
https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2024/07/24/this-ones-important-looking-beyond-the-obvious-essentialism-and-abstraction-as-central-to-our-reasoning-and-beliefs/
Children begin organi
Jochen,
No bending here. This IS the thread.
I thought many of us came to agree, be deploying experiences, that an
animal and a human were capable of mutual love. I was never sure where you
stood on that.
I want to get to the point where we can resolve our different view of
animals and conscio
Nice link. IMHO the most interesting things in culture happen at the transition
between the primitive cultures studied in anthropology and the modern societies
studied in sociology. One could argue that self-awareness also happens at such
a point: it is the transition moment between the "here-an
The paper seems (to me) to suggest the opposite, that children may exhibit more non-obvious thought than adults. The discussions of
"generics" and "object history" are more enlightening than the discussion of essentialism. A predictive processing
oriented conjecture might be that cognitive infer
Glen and DaveW and all,
Ok, so I have cc'd in the last correspondence that occurred just before our
discussion about who and what is conscious [ness} got forked up. That
included comments from DaveW,and Glen. Again, thank you, for helping me
along here.
I now see that we need some sort of a work
No ire; you rightly predict that physiologizing is not what I am about on
that other thread. Thank you for your discretion.
n
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 11:33 AM Prof David West
wrote:
> Consciousness exists because of hallucinogens?
>
> https://www.lillo.org.ar/journals/index.php/lilloa/article/
Did this ever get published here? I sent it but never saw it.
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XsJSpoMaTQOqr0Ll0ne3WQ.O60UcGgc4kfT_gbXPz5eBV
It's a cartoon but is it funny, relatable, or interesting? Note that the
dog is concerned that its owner may be concerned about where they are
going.
Hi, Frank,
I think that anything that can speak intelligibly of a shared world is
conscious.So the dog is conscious, if it can speak, if only to itself.
It's hard for me to imagine that a dog that cannot speak aloud can speak to
itself, but let that go. If you take the bubble serious, the sentime
But you have no experiences yourself that are relevant to this question,
right?
n
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 4:38 PM Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Are animals and humans capable of mutual love? I'm not sure. It depends
> how you define love. Romantic love seems to be specific for humans. No
> matter how m
Glen,
These are wonderful! They help me see in what sorts of experiences your
concept of consciousness is anchored. I take it that "smell the wood
burning" is equivalent to my "see the gears turning."a theme that
seems to run through these examples is that the animal pauses between two
p
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