Ouch. I thought I was going to agree with you through the 3rd sentence. But then you did [⛧] the
4th. Brains, muscles, and neurons *are* doings just like Barry's invocation of the hypothalamus and
pituitary glands and their handling of oxytocin induced through stare contests. Nick's ontological
Hi, Prof Dave n all,
I would like us to come back to this point:
*Is Dusty (Dave) conscious of Dave (Dusty).*
*Is Dusty (Dave) conscious of Dusty (Dave).*
Using our progress around the word Love, I feel like we ought to be able to
agree on the first two propositions. We agree that the two parti
Oh, and, the project is to describe experiences that would lead to one
conclusion or anotherj.
Here is an example If you play a dog's bark back to him, does he respond
as if it's the bark of an intruder?
If not, that suggest some sort of self recognition mechanism, given that
the bark I give sou
Has someone already posted this? If so, I apologize. I asked Gemini how
consciousness arises in the physical world. It sounds to me like either
inadequate answers or those that are ambiguous and technical to the point
where they're hard to evaluate.
Recent
Mystery of Consciousness
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He
I don't have a dog. So maybe this is bending the thread too far for Nick. But when Dusty expresses
self-awareness by behaving similar to Jackson, this is the self-as-other or other-as-self
reflection concept. Dusty could merely be "conscious of" Jackson, not herself. Perhaps
mimicry is upstream
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:54 AM Nicholas Thompson
wrote:
> Here is an example If you play a dog's bark back to him, does he respond
> as if it's the bark of an intruder?
> If not, that suggest some sort of self recognition mechanism, given that
> the bark I give sounds a heluva lot different
Mirror recognition (or usage) took a while for my dog to learn. She seems
perplexed by the fact humans and dogs look different. While I don’t know she
is looking at herself, she seems to understand the difference between me in a
mirror and me right in front of her. She no longer thinks it i
In her Nature paper Mariana Lenharo distinguishes between+ Higher-order
theories (HOT)+ Integrated information theory (IIT)+ Global workspace theories
(GWT)+ Recurrent processing theories (RPT)..but I believe all these theories
named by three letter acronyms are not the solution. See
https://ww
Great. Can you describe,in what ever detail seems right, what that seeming
consists of?
nick
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 4:47 PM Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Mirror recognition (or usage) took a while for my dog to learn. She seems
> perplexed by the fact humans and dogs look different. While I don’
In the case of self-recognition, she now does not bark or paw at the mirror.
For months, as a youngster, she would walk by the mirror and be startled by the
movement. Now she ignores it. If she sees me do something in the mirror,
like put down an iPad, she tips her back to look at me to look
Hi, Jochen,
I haven't read the paper, so grain of salt, here. Anybody who has dealt
with a bittersweet vine knows that plants can do plenty. The question
about plants seems to me to be more one of whether each plant is a unit.
We tend not to attribute consciousness to things we eat, so, to tha
Oh, so, for instance,
Would you speak to your dog?
Would you expect your dog to under stand you when you speak, some of the
time?
Would you see your dog's behavior as going in a direction?
Would you believe that some things give your dog pleasure and others
pain..
Would you see your dog as having
Why this distinction for dogs? These things would apply to people too.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 3:29 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought
Exactly. A good answer to these questions would come in the form of a matrix
with
columns: speak to, expect understanding, directionality of behavior, receipt of
p&p, designed delivery of p&p
rows: turnip, car, computer, spider, dog, Republican, Democrat, human, ...
Here are my answers:
,"spe
Hank my dog (with whom I have a loving relationship but who loves and is
loved my Mary) barks at the TV when a barking sound emanates from it.
If he sees a dog-figure cavorting on the screen he barks more vigorously
even if the barking sounds ceases. If he sees *any* animal like figure
on the
It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 4:47 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance
[Scott's] Prayer
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117
I'm currently surround
I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in
response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time.
-- Russ
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 4:47 PM glen wrote:
> [Scott's] Prayer
> https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117
>
> I'm currently surrounded by people who believe intolera
I must say, I am grateful and pleased by all these testimonials and I am
beginning to sense method in my madness.
I notice you are much vaguer about Cyd than you are about Hank. So, in
your assertion that Cyd is both conscious and self conscious, I am inclined
to ask for more details. So the m
An interesting collection of ideas regarding consciousness. For instance,
not meta cognition but immediate perception. A bubble of nowness, etc... I
am not certain if the lecture is interesting, but it seemed relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE&t=908s
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