Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's implicit confirmation of Marcus' point about fora rigidity, dovetails nicely with the [ab|mis]use thread and Nick's trope about ancillary vs primary effects. The scammers, themselves not necessarily their children, are Evil ...

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - In the spirit of some of our other woven threads here, I'm wondering how practical it would be to build a natural language parser which could apply rules such as those found in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_and_Crooked_Thinking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_falla

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
In an attempt to continue following the alt-right, and having landed on a firm ad hominem character judgement of Curtis Yarvin, I need to track the following 3 people (labeled "Trumpist Intellectuals" in a Bulwark article): https://gyaanipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Chuck_de_Caro https://en.wikipedia.o

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

2021-01-29 Thread Roger Critchlow
Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life? -- rec -- On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's > implicit confirmation of Marcus'

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Steve Smith
Hah!  Yes, tools that help with individual and group self-regulation are definitely of value and I share any implied bottom-up or peer-peer regulation over *harsh* top down.  Like many good things, I think there is a distribution of "archies" as well as "scales"...   which means there is always roo

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

2021-01-29 Thread Steve Smith
On 1/29/21 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to > monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life? Great bumper sticker...       Get an exploitableLife! > > -- rec -- > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

2021-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
One can hope to be a reflective and philosophical monster. From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:06 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% On 1/29/21 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Maybe google sends mail to spam when it

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Very nice fuzzification of the interplay between top-down and bottom-up. I thought about preemptively pointing out that in either usage for the text (yours: extracting reasoning, mine: extracting context), there has to be some prior model. All measurement has a prior model. But your characteriza

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, Thanks for this link. https://www.real-time-with-bill-maher-blog.com/ I took your take to be: "Free speech does NOT entail a right to be gratuitously impolite. That I make people angry when I talk does not speak to its freedom, so much as to its arrogance. " I think the closest I have

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

2021-01-29 Thread George Duncan
I certainly agree with Ed. Coding does indeed suggest the final stage for a particular language--should that colon instead be on a semi-colon. I would, though, argue for "algorithmic thinking" rather than "computational thinking". George Duncan Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon Un

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
I would say to boost signals concerning claims that, 1) are correct 2) have evidence 3) are novel Other types of signals can be attenuated. Realistically, the media follows this principle above all else: 4) have an audience -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@g

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

2021-01-29 Thread Tom Johnson
And I would gently suggest (not argue) that before ""algorithmic thinking" we should teach systems thinking/analysis: what will be the system in question and its defined boundaries, what the variables/agents within the system, the input/output relationships between those variables under what contex

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
At first I agreed with your 3 priorities. But as I worked on some other stuff, I think some doubt has crept in. Each of the bullets has some uncertainty around it. Some things are pretty much but not entirely *certainly* correct. But most things have high uncertainty. Evidence can be slight, ple

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
If you don't want to do it, I'll be happy to press Delete on the class of QAnon posts. 😊 (Fine, put tensors on 1-3.) -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 2:52 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman At first I agree

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Ha! Yes, please. I keep asking people to BE MY CONTENT CURATOR for me. I'm simply too lazy to do all the work to come up with my own opinions. To quote Black Sabbath: "Life's fantasy; to be locked away and still to think you're free." On 1/29/21 2:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > If you don't wan

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
It's obviously the case that there are a lot of people that just can't form opinions properly. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 3:01 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman Ha! Yes, please. I keep asking people t

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Has anyone been watching what's happening in the stock market with GameStop? On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:30 PM Steve Smith wrote: > Perhaps no-one cares or shares my confusion with the use > Strawman/Steelman championed by Glen and adopted by others, however: > >consensus development: > > http

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

2021-01-29 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yep. I've logged into my TD Ameritrade account several times to see if they've limited purchases of GME. Supposedly Robinhood did limit purchases. It looked like I could always buy on TDA... but I'm not sure. I would never actually buy GME, *except* to screw The Man. 8^D On 1/29/21 3:41 PM, Mer

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

2021-01-29 Thread Edward Angel
The term “computational thinking” incorporates all the points you brought up. Ed ___ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

2021-01-29 Thread Tom Johnson
Duly noted. On Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 5:22 PM Edward Angel wrote: > The term “computational thinking” incorporates all the points you brought > up. > > Ed > ___ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus