Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Nick, *"I would hate it if some Good Government A-hole like me would start dictating what could our not appear on FRIAM."* A "government A-hole" is already there, albeit indirectly. All kinds of laws against myriad different types of post. Plus, via tech puppets, vast swaths of 'speech' / 'pos

[FRIAM] and you thought your home office was messy!

Кіберполіція викрила транснаціональне угруповання хакерів у розповсюдженні вірусу «EMOTET>> (Cyberpolice has exposed a transnational group of hackers in the spread of the virus -- google translate) https://youtu.be/_BLOmClsSpc Europol release, with a fancy graphic! https://www.europol.europa.eu

Re: [FRIAM] and you thought your home office was messy!

Wow. That could easily be a gangster techno music video. Counting Benjamins, counting Hryvnia, counting hard drives (probably with my bank info on it) and credit cards. Was that a thermometer on the machine? The comment section was nearly as good. "материнська плата. Їй щонаменше 20 років Це точно

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Ok, I’ll take the other side. There’s a way to say almost anything with indirection. Some degree of censorship selects for people who can do that. (Not that I agree that this kind of legislation is really like to occur.) From: Friam On Behalf Of David Eric Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Hi, Eric, Can you say a bit more? I didn’t follow. If it’s obvious, somebody could just take pity on me and write me off line. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthomp

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

"There followed an eerie silence. Scientist strained at their earphones to ear, examined their screens for any anomalous squiggle. Finally, the director sighed, 'I guess there is no life in outer space.'" Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Marcus, The position you take seems to be radical individualism, i.e., that there is a me that exists and can be revealed by stripping away the constraints of any social contact. The contrasting view is that “me” is inevitably social, and that it is revealed only by social interaction. So

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Nick says: “There followed an eerie silence. Scientist strained at their earphones to ear, examined their screens for any anomalous squiggle. Finally, the director sighed, ‘I guess there is no life in outer space.’” That sounds like an interesting beginning or ending to a scifi novel. Is it, or d

[FRIAM] coding versus music

For a while now there has been a huge push to teach kids how to code. Ostensibly because it enhances skills like language, logic, and math; plus, "computer literacy" is essential in a world filled with computers. A study at MIT suggests that coding skill is orthogonal to reading skill and has l

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

This flies in the face of my belief that you coders know something about life that we citizens need to know. I imagine coding to be like trying to write an instruction to a person such that that person always does what you want them to do. So, it is an act of communication in which the communica

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Nick, I am no longer a good programmer/coder, although once ... Really good coders like Glen, Marcus, Jon ... on the list, will probably disagree with me; but: Coding/programming is not communication — if restricted to coder > machine -> machine action. The machine is nothing more than

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Yeah, that book is a classic and written in Lisp! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listin

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

I guess I can see why you’d say that. However, I’d argue there is still social behavior, even honesty and trust, in a world where information is exchanged in a very cautious way.In the world that I guess Dave is afraid of, people that mouth off too have bad outcomes. Maybe that policing

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

I am no longer an *effective* coder in the same sense Dave describes.   But that doesn't mean I can't read and write code in a number of languages and idioms.  But it does mean that nobody should pay me for that work except insomuch as it is incidental to what I'm *really* doing for their filthy lu

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

The particular thing Dave cited follows nicely with our discussion of forcing a *format* for posts. If it's eliminated or changed such that the hosts of redfish.com become responsible for the posts, then that changes the game quite a bit. From my inte

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

I was largely paid for developing software during my career. This explains my impoverished publication record to some extent (50 refereed papers/presentations). In my last career position, I developed a large library of Java programs for implementing algorithms in the area of statistical causal r

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

An even bigger inhibition comes if how you are doing matters to me, and I would rather contribute to helping that than to dragging it down. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Nick, > > "I would hate it if some Good Government A-hole like me would start dictating > what

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Thanks, Jon. This is helpful. Still, absent dualism, why isn’t getting a machine to do what you want a kind of communication. Why privilege the inter-human kind. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com h

[FRIAM] NYU Professor Creates COVID-19 Dashboard to Compare Country and State Data

NYU Professor Creates COVID-19 Dashboard to Compare Country and State Data by Sabrina I. Pacifici

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

. Marcus wrote: In the world that I guess Dave is afraid of, people that mouth off too have bad outcomes. Maybe that policing is not so bad? It depends upon our purposes. Every once in a while I think we should put our heads above the ramparts and ask if we are paying to great a pri

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

I should have added, in the previous post, that the odd thing is that I know from the earlier exchanges that you already know this, and take some pride in following it. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:37 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: > > An even bigger inhibition comes if how you are doing matters to m

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Because you're free to define *anything* as a kind of communication if you're so inclined. But it's not helpful and smacks of sophistry, if not bad faith rhetoric. Sure, that garage door opener I built from a raspberry pi can be *thought* of as a kind of communication. But really?!? No. It's a g

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

You missed the conditional. "Absent dualism..." what separates getting a machine to do something from getting a human to do something? If you answer is "dualism", then there's no need to talk further. We've been there, done that! n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clar

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Whoa, Nick! That was Dave and not me. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_red

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

No, I didn't miss the conditional. Both with and without monism, you can call anything "communication" if you want. The garage door opener can, given monism, and given stigmergy, be thought of as a communication from me to some far future civilization, for example... or as a way to tell GE how t

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Hi Nick, There’s a certain libertarian rhetorical flourish that (to my ear) takes the form of defiantly asserting that nobody should expect you to give a damn about anybody else. But often people to whom indulging in that flourish is important are people who are quite concerned about right act

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Going back to Dave’s original post, to me a big part of the issue is what is meant by “coding.” Unfortunately for manys in CS education, coding has come to refer only to the very last step in a complex process; namely, converting a final detailed set of instructions into computer code for a part

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Nick, I think you should fine the perspective advanced here very congenial. https://opendocs.github.io/sicp/sicp.pdf I know the people who code for a living will sigh and say “how quaint, what the guy who doesn’t know anything about this work thinks is

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Or computational thinking that has a machine-readable form to facilitate cognitive offload of certain mechanical aspects. From: Friam On Behalf Of Edward Angel Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] coding versus mus

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

For Frank, because I realized later that I used some specialized jargon: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitposter On January 27, 2021 11:22:28 AM PST, "uǝlƃ ↙↙↙" wrote: > >I'm not at all concerned with what happens to the individual >sh¡tposter. I *am* concerned what happens t

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

One can navigate some moderation by structuring arguments in pieces, leaving it to the reader to fill in some dots. In crude form, we saw that with Trump and the riots. (I recall you argued he wouldn't be convicted in a court of law.) One can call this self-censorship, but it is also self-con

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

ROTFL -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of ? glen Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 2:18 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms For Frank, because I realized later that I used some specialized jargon: ht

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Hmm. Must be like a sh1thole country. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:27 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > ROTFL > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam O

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

Ha! Well-done. To be clear, I only argued that *were* I a Senator, which is laughable due to my lack of self-control, I would probably vote to acquit because they charged him with the wrong high crime. I'm definitely one of the ones who would be moderated out sooner rather than later ... though

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Gary, I’m afraid I just made it up to satirize my own feeble attempt to energize the non-posters amongst us. Thanks for sticking with us all these years. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com h

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. -- rec -- On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:31 PM wrote: > Gary, > > > > I’m afraid I just made it up to satirize my own feeble attempt to energize > the

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recogn

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:20 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% The question I have is whether

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

So I've been deep in a FORTRAN program for decoding an amateur radio mode called FT8. I was going to recommend this to the supercomputing challenge student that Stephen is advising, because it's used for multi-senders/multi-listeners on a single audio channel, but I'm glad/sad I looked into it fir

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

I recently mentioned Joe Ramsey in a thread about music vs computing as brain training for the young. He is a concert level pianist and an excellent developer of software for scientific applications. He said he thought that discussion was interesting. He said, "I have to say that eventually you

Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Fortran after 2008 is not bad. It’s all the old Fortran programmers who are a danger to themselves and others. From: Friam On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 6:36 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music So

Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Ha! Sounds about right. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] NYU Professor Creates COVID-19 Dashboard to Compare Country and State Data

GIGO. COVID-19 statistics (data) is suspect and not strictly comparable across countries, starting with China's numbers. On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:20 AM Tom Johnson wrote: > NYU Professor Creates COVID-19 Dashboard to Compare Country and State Data > by Sabrina I. Pacifici >