Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
I have one data point. One of our Macs near Seattle had a drive fail, so I had an employee take it to an Apple store. The 'genius' was very happy when he saw the Time Machine, and, I think, nothing was lost. About the depth of cloud backups: I now use Arq on the Mac. The backups are in Amazon's

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2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
Well, yes, there is wtfjs.com. But don't you think it is pretty easy to avoid all these edge cases? When I was at Microsoft, someone on the C++ compiler team put notices on his door regularly, sort of a prototype wtfc++.com. There were a number of cases where Stroustrup said something like, "We

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
My $.02 on Time Machine. I bought a 2TB time machine about 4? years ago and set up two MB Pro's with it. Other than a little irritation from accidental reboots on the device (connected to the same power strip as my flakey motorola internet service, yielding a reboot via powerstrip toggle some

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: #!/bin/bash # Just in case they are not mounted /bin/mount /mnt/3TB >&/dev/n

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/08/2013 11:26 AM: > Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a > perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which > currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: The cloud solves the phys

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Doug! Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: I'ts the glitzy interface! Have you ever *SEEN* it? You feel li

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
1. Is your 3TB drive off-site? Offsite backup is the problem to be solved, IMHO. 2. I imagine that the probability that your 3TB drive will be alive and functional in a year is less than 99.9% (not that I fully believe Amazon's claims, but they do monitor their disks and move the data whe

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
Did I fail to mention that I keep backups of my backups? I did, didn't I... I am not paranoid, the odds *are* out to get you. --Doug On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: > 1. Is your 3TB drive off-site? Offsite backup is the problem to be solv

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
No, the odds have gotten me. I am assuming that rsync overwrites past history, so it saves less than a time machine. Is that correct? On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Did I fail to mention that I keep backups of my backups? I did, didn't I... > > I am not paranoid, the odd

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
It will overwrite files with the same name. You can set with a parameter whether it will do a mirror-like sync or to instead leave files that have been deleted on source directory on the backup directory. To delete extraneous files on the destination directory use the --del parameter. --Doug On

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - Apropos of your *original* point/question A Time Machine (unless it is offsite) doesn't solve the offsite problem. The overwrite problem doesn't solve *my* main problem which is NOT catastrophic failure but operator error... perhaps one of the options you mention in rsync, in fac

[FRIAM] wedtech

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
WedTechers... Is thre a meetup this week? I've got a young colleague coming up from ABQ who I think would enjoy both listening in and giving some talks at WedTech Guerin is in a third world country right now, right? Anyone else pulling a WedTech together for tomorrow? Barring anythin

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Edward Angel
In addition to the other reasons for offsite backup, let me add break-ins. Mush more likely than a fire. Within two minutes your computers can all be gone. I doubt any statistics on disk failures. I've had two backup disks and an internal disk fail in the last year. Two of the failures were on t

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:49:47PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: > Doug! > > > >Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when > >there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly > >backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a > >cheap 3TB USB3 externa

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Schiltz
As Russell and others have pointed out, TM provides a hybrid of version control and backup. I wonder if it would be feasible to use SVN to manage an entire operating system? You could in essence do hourly commits of '/' with periodic pruning, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as that. Would

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Gary- As Russell and others have pointed out, TM provides a hybrid of version control and backup. I wonder if it would be feasible to use SVN to manage an entire operating system? You could in essence do hourly commits of '/' with periodic pruning, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as that

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
On 4/8/13 5:48 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Russell- On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:49:47PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: A point and click later and we are back to the earlier state, and if I'm wrong, another point and click and we are at another state, and rsync doesn't solve this particular prob

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 06:50:38PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: > On 4/8/13 5:48 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > Russell- > > > >Time Machine would be nice (provided I could develop trust of > >it). Unfortunately, I'm Linux, not Mac, so its not an option :). If > >someone implements a transparent copy o

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Russell - with the exception of the GBs of family photos and videos. I should do something about those, I suppose. Of course at this stage, I have no plans on digitising the mound of hardcopy photos that existed prior to us getting a digital camera circa 2005, so there's still a lot of history

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 07:40:48PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: > I saw recently on one of my rare visits to either WalMart or > Walgreens someone sitting at a console almost like a video-game > machine or a do-it-yourself blood-pressure kiosk, scanning > photographs onto (I assume) CD. There was a s

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Edward Angel
Unable to find a VHS player to buy, I bought a refurbished VHS/DVD recorder from Best Buy for about $100 which works fine for transferring VHS to DVD. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, Un

[FRIAM] VHS-DVD recording

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Russell- Re: refreshing video to digital... more like this? Magnavox DVD Recorder & 4-Head Hi-Fi VCR with Line-In Recording, ZV427MG9 copy off what you have to DVD and upload to your Cloud/wherever and pass

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Tom Johnson
I, too, am paying for a large Dropbox account, but here are a couple things I don't like about it. 1. I use it to share the development of a lot of projects. But if one of the team members deletes a file, it is deleted for all of us. Hey, let me manange MY file system, please. 2. The

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Schiltz
I can't imagine doing any kind of work that evolves over time (even a few days' time) without using some kind of revision control system. I don't know how much people use git for purposes other than software, but it seems like a reasonable means of backing up and tracking revisions of any type o