Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times

Yeah. I made a new friend at our salon who is chatty in the way I think you mean. She was shy at first, perhaps thinking I was a normal man. But now she seems quite free to jump around in the conversation. Push and pop things off the stack, follow and abandon tangents, etc. She's even adopted s

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iler is in the middle-end, not the front-end.)   I would guess it wouldn't work well because probably most of the prompts its was trained with were natural language.   But maybe that's not true anymore with the competition to make LLMs excel at mathematics? -Original Message- From: F

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x27;t up to the task, they shouldn't present it as a tool. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2025 11:44 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times Yeah. It seems like we're really starting to get cl

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? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2025 11:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times Here's one I happen to have in my browser from Claude Sonnet 3.5 in C

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els Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2025 11:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times Here's one I happen to have in my browser from Claude Sonnet 3.5 in Concise mode. I asked: Are there any examples of complex [lithi

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1:04 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times Efficient? No, I don't think so, barring some perverse conception of efficiency. The chat versions are way too verbose and don't write dense text. In thinking of who, here, would be difficult to simu

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go off on tangents. Marcus *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *Barry MacKichan *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2025 7:50 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times So we need an LLM to determine if the Turing test has been passed? I det

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y tried harder to infer the user’s goal and go off on tangents. Marcus *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *Barry MacKichan *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2025 7:50 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times So we need an LLM t

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: Thursday, January 23, 2025 7:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times So we need an LLM to determine if the Turing test has been passed? I detect recursion, or as it is commonly called, a rabbit hole. * Barry

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some thoughtful setup work and testing, but that could be more fun and educational than writing the content directly. From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 5:06 PMTo: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times I bet it can't sim

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:06 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times I bet it can't simulate Marcus. Because most of Marcus' posts are one liners, often with some ironic twist that I'm sure is there, but evades me. I guess if you have enough one liners to provide

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On 1/22/25 12:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Easy to avoid this problem. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 1:04 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times two things: 1) isn't it intere

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Easy to avoid this problem. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 1:04 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times two things: 1) isn't it interesting that human beings, with

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two things: 1) isn't it interesting that human beings, with only a short exposure to LLM generated text can instantly spot 'suspicious' and 'likely-LLM-sourced' writing. Not just glen, but all of my university professor friends can spot and know with certainty that LLM generated test answers or

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lol Lunatic comes to mind on Drumpf. We truly are in the wrong timeline when: no one with any political say was at Drumpfs inauguration, the photos were surreal: Elon: Looked like he had just had about 2000 redbulls, Bezzo's: who looked like a non-plussed dad, and some other bajillionairs...then th

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I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM. My point was that artifacts like Section 230 are NOT about free speech in any way, fashion, or form. Free speech is an individual right that is meaningless in the context of platform moderation. Using "section 230" and "free

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There are multiple dimensions to the issue of free speech, especially when it comes to the transition from individual expression to distribution by platforms like X: Responsibility for Content Distribution: You raise a valid question regarding who is responsible when a platform distributes content

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Renee' just tried to tell me about the latest stupid thing Trump said. I told her I don't want to hear it. FWIW, Vox has this: https://www.vox.com/pages/logoff-newsletter-trump-administration-updates "The Logoff is a daily newsletter that helps you stay informed about the Trump administration w

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I'm confused by this promotion of "free speech" from the individual to a platform. When X (or this mailing list) *distributes* my text, who is ultimately responsible for that distribution? Me? Or X/redfish.com? The distribution of some content is not what I'd call "free speech". Maybe we could

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@Steve: No, I wasn't aware of the Draka, but I'll definitely check it out, thanks. @Barry: I am acutely aware of Elon Musk's significant character flaws and would not try to minimize them. It's important to note that Musk has publicly stated he has Asperger's syndrome, which can make social intera

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Can we convince you guys to take Musk back? — Barry On 21 Jan 2025, at 1:04, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > To my American friends, > > As your friendly South African observer, I've been watching the American > political scene with great interest (and a bit of amusement). I couldn't > help but notic

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And "our own" Steve (S.M.) Stirling's dystopian alternate history world/culture the Draka erupted out of South Africa. I'm wondering if Pieter is aware of this body of work/author? Stirling, who moved to Santa Fe 30ish years ago often writes at J

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I spent a few days at the UCSF hospital in San Francisco last week. Except for one nurse (likely a lesbian white woman), the team of about a dozen individuals was almost all Asian, and the surgeon was a black woman. These individuals all navigated the `system’ to get professional jobs at one of

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It’s not an empty connection. I forget where I first read this, but in going to look for something just now, I find this Financial Times article that summarizes the names: https://www.ft.com/content/cfbfa1e8-d8f8-42b9-b74c-dae6cc6185a0 (In case that link somehow spoofed incorrectly, the articl

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I started becoming aware of popular music in the late 70s and was a big disco and Village People fan. Well, I’m turning off the news now, mostly, but I did hear that the Village People were performing at the inauguration. That pretty much says it all: Trump managed to adopt a famous gay anthem