Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
I'm not sure what you did here? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2025, at 10:55 AM, glen wrote: > > Very cool. Not right, but cool anyway. > > Me: What does this formula mean: v_i(v_i=v_1' v_1(v_1=v_i F)) ?-/ > > Goedel-LM/Goedel-Prover-SFT: > > theorem lean_workbook_16860 (n : ℕ) > (v :

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-05 Thread glen
Sorry. The unicode didn't come through the cut and paste ... stupid emacs. Me: What does this formula mean: ∀v_i(v_i=v_1'⊃∀v_1(v_1=v_i⊃F)) ? I'll try to do things more like them. E.g. "complete the following lean 4 code ..." instead of abusing it this way. On 2/5/25 10:54 AM, glen wrote: Very

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-05 Thread glen
Very cool. Not right, but cool anyway. Me: What does this formula mean: v_i(v_i=v_1' v_1(v_1=v_i F)) ?-/ Goedel-LM/Goedel-Prover-SFT: theorem lean_workbook_16860 (n : ℕ) (v : ℕ → ℕ) (F : ℕ → ℕ) (h₀ : 2 ≤ n) (h₁ : ∀ i, 2 ≤ i ∧ i ≤ n → 3 ∣ v i) (h₂ : ∀ i, 2 ≤ i ∧ i ≤ n → 3 ∣ F i) (

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
A timely development! https://goedel-lm.github.io/ <https://goedel-lm.github.io/> From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 4:59 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... I agree. GP has ADFs. I suppose a good code-writer can rec

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
temperatures. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 4:59 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... I agree. GP has ADFs. I suppose a good code-writer can recognize repetitions (and perhaps equivalent permuations on them, especially in a

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread glen
: *friam@redfish.com *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... Maybe, if the training data, training method, prompt, & reasoning are included in the output. Without the reasoning, though, there's no way to tell slop from a counter-intuitive or non-consensus result. I suppose one

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
, 2025 at 3:31 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... Maybe, if the training data, training method, prompt, & reasoning are included in the output. Without the reasoning, though, there's no way to tell slop from a counter-intuitive or non-consensus

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread glen
s. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2025 1:36 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... Claude is available here: https://www.anthropic.com/ Dave's interpretation rings true to me. But as long as we're pollut

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... Claude is available here: https://www.anthropic.com/ Dave's interpretation rings true to me. But as long as we're polluting the list with AI slop, here's Tulu3's answers followed by Llama3's answers. ⛧ 1st prompt: 1. **Searc

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread glen
Claude is available here: https://www.anthropic.com/ Dave's interpretation rings true to me. But as long as we're polluting the list with AI slop, here's Tulu3's answers followed by Llama3's answers. ⛧ 1st prompt: 1. **Searching for Honesty**: The most direct interpretation of the

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Prof David West
that Diogenes was looking for "an honest" man is a modern interpretation. The original texts say simply, "a man." In either case, he was mocking no one, neither philosophers nor Athenians. Because so little of his original work, and that of his mentor Anisthenes, survives it is speculative—but,

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
> > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2025 11:42 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... > > > > ... wandered the streets

Re: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
:42 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... ... wandered the streets of Athens with a lantern, in broad daylight, looking for an honest man. This act was supposed to ironically demonstrate the dishonest of Athenians. To me, it seems

[FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ...

2025-02-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
... wandered the streets of Athens with a lantern, in broad daylight, looking for an honest man. This act was supposed to ironically demonstrate the dishonest of Athenians. To me, it seems more to demonstrate the vanity of "enlighted" search. In other words, Diogenes was mocking philosophers, not