Thanks Marcus! Claude did way better than George.! Although I had sharpened the question on George for a couple of rounds before I turned it over to you and Claude.
Where do I find Claude? Nick On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 12:49 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > Claude remarks.. > > That's a fascinating interpretation I hadn't considered! You make a > compelling point - the lantern could indeed be seen as a satirical jab at > philosophers who claimed to be "enlightened" seekers of truth. > > > > The lantern itself becomes an absurdist prop in this reading - literally > carrying artificial light in broad daylight could be mocking those who > create elaborate philosophical systems to "illuminate" what should be > plainly visible to anyone. This fits well with what we know of Diogenes' > broader criticism of intellectual pretension - like his famous response to > Plato's definition of a human as a "featherless biped" by bringing a > plucked chicken to Plato's academy. > > > > This interpretation also aligns with the Cynic philosophy's emphasis on > living naturally and rejecting artificial constructs. Rather than just > critiquing Athenian society's general dishonesty, perhaps Diogenes was > specifically lampooning the philosophical establishment's self-important > quest for truth through complex theoretical frameworks. > > > > The irony would be particularly sharp since Diogenes himself was > technically a philosopher, but one who often used performance art and > provocative gestures to deflate philosophical pomposity. Would you say this > kind of self-aware philosophical criticism was a key part of his approach? > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2025 11:42 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Diogenes, the Cynic ... > > > > ... wandered the streets of Athens with a lantern, in broad daylight, > looking for an honest man. This act was supposed to ironically demonstrate > the dishonest of Athenians. To me, it seems more to demonstrate the > vanity of "enlighted" search. In other words, Diogenes was mocking > philosophers, not Athenians. > > > > Can anybody help me with this metaphor, or is my inquiry just an example > of itself. > > > > Nick > > > -- > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology > > Clark University > > nthomp...@clarku.edu > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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