Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Eric Charles
" "Experience Monism" is itself a much more primitive position, so primitive that my former student, now mentor, Eric Charles doubts that it is worth asserting. " :- P What I doubt is that it is relevant to most activities, including most discussions. It is a perfectly good bit of philosophy, that

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread glen
[sigh] But the whole point of knowing other people is so that they can make your own work more efficient or effective. While I appreciate the *citation* of tomes, to some extent, citation isn't really useful for construction of a concept. It's only useful for auditing constructs. So, rather tha

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Steve Smith
As the discussion evolves: But the bot *does* have a body. It just doesn't take the same form as a human body. I disagree re: panpsychism revolving around "interest" or "intention" ... or even "acting". It's more about accumulation and the tendency of cumulative objects to accumulate (and di

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread glen
But the bot *does* have a body. It just doesn't take the same form as a human body. I disagree re: panpsychism revolving around "interest" or "intention" ... or even "acting". It's more about accumulation and the tendency of cumulative objects to accumulate (and differentiate). Perhaps negentro

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread thompnickson2
Glen, Thank you for writing. I would take the minimum conditions of pan psychism to be that every object (i.e., every thing to which a noun may be applied) has interests and acts in accordance with those interests. >From the point of view of the "experience monist" (wtf) , panpsychism is an

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread glen
That's unfortunate. I'm trying to say that any 1 thing has nothing in common with any other thing. But we shouldn't be too hard on people who are tricked by abstraction into believing in nonsense like "communication" or "morphic resonance". But maybe I'm not as familiar with Sheldrake's other i

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Prof David West
I am hearing echoes of Rubert Sheldrake in your last sentence davew On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, at 8:46 AM, glen wrote: > Despite the ambiguity both Nick and DaveW rely on when they use the > word "dualism", the "psyche" in panpsychism need not be dualist. > Experience monism is a kind of panpsychis

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread glen
Despite the ambiguity both Nick and DaveW rely on when they use the word "dualism", the "psyche" in panpsychism need not be dualist. Experience monism is a kind of panpsychism. When I asserted that there is something that it is like to be dirt, I'm not implying there is a difference between "ps

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread glen
While I appreciate DaveW's historical ensconcing, I think there's a different answer to EricS' question. When/if I feel generous to people who talk about the mind and thinking, I liken it to computation, in the trans-computer sense of portability ... the idea that you can run the same computati

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Prof David West
Great question, and one that may not be answerable directly. There is definitely a sense of essentialism in some contexts, Shinto for example, and other forms of animism. In Vedic philosophy I am less sure. The origin myth states that Mind (purusa) and Matter (prakrti) were once separate and apa

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Santafe
So there are things in DaveW’s very helpful post below about which I am genuinely curious. My tendency is to analyze them, though I have a certain habitual fear that asking a question in an analytic mode will come across as somehow disrespectful, and that is not my intent. The description belo