"Actual Causes and Thought Experiments"
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 10:01 PM Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Some jargon that "we" use. The kind of causation where time order matters
> is called "actual causation" or "t
Some jargon that "we" use. The kind of causation where time order matters
is called "actual causation" or "token causation". Hitting the glass with
a a hammer causes it to break.
The other kind is called "statistical" or "probabilistic" causation.
Smoking causes cancer.
See Glymour, et al "Actu
I don't like to be treated like livestock so I drive rather than fly. This
constrains me to North America.
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 2:56 PM Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> Have any of you been at an airlines counter l
Have any of you been at an airlines counter lately?
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 11:55 AM Marcus Daniels
wrote:
> Here's a story that didn't involve an emergency that triggers my rage.
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> I'm sitting at a urology clinic waiting for someone. Everyone is sitting
> quietly. Some are elderly and look
Exactly, except in the original story the expectation of special treatment is
costing the staff their attention and that may cost other careful, patient, and
responsible people their lives. They don't deserve sympathy, need to be made
examples of. At least that's how my country upbringing le
Wow. We have a similar story at the DMV. After moving to WA, Renee' and I went
to get our temporary plates. There was a couple there, the female of which was
pacing around ranting about how long she'd been there and was being stonewalled
by the clerks. She kept jumping up to the counter before
Here's a story that didn't involve an emergency that triggers my rage.
I'm sitting at a urology clinic waiting for someone. Everyone is sitting
quietly. Some are elderly and look unwell. The people with them, some also
older spouses, are doing their best to get them through what may involve
Ha! Yes. I do spend a lot of time arguing with people who hold opposite views
to my own. But that's *never* against my will. And it's usually over a pint ...
not while I'm trying to save their damned life ... not even in my own
professional role, where I've turned down quite a few clients who I
Man for someone who has repeatedly told me, when we are in zoom, about
how you can share a beer with a racist skinhead, and come to find some sort
of sympathetic understanding of the reasoning of where they are coming
from... it is baffling the situations where you take exactly the opposite
lin
What process do we use to vet the "ministers"?
Do we need policies and procedures for things like "aura massage"?
Do you remove the ventilator to give them the pill?
How much does "whatever that method may be" cost? And who will pay for it?
How much should doctors' and nurses' and finance staff *p
Well, EricC's completely wrong that the family "deserves our empathy", but not because of any
ambiguity in the concept of "empathy". He's wrong because of the concept of "deserving".
I had an attitude altering discussion with a friend of mine back in college.
Some circumstance brought to a head
Letting people try long shot, even mystical attempts, to save a person we
are virtually certain is going to die is less cruel. (If we can let
ministers pray with patients, we can give them a Vitamin D pill.)
Finding a way to let people see their dying family member, whatever that
method may need t
This relates to a disagreement I had with Nick. What is the value of empathy
above and beyond the ability to anticipate feelings and the consequences of
feelings?When Bill Clinton "feels your pain" but perhaps actually doesn't,
what difference does it make provided he was persuasive? I
This is unadulterated bullshit. Sure, perhaps in some ideal world, where all people are
rational and all systems are frictionless, "the process could have been much less
cruel". It's bullshit in Frankfurt's sense because it's not quite a lie and it's not
quite the truth. And given your (EricC)
I certainly didn't say there weren't reasons why the events unfolded as
they did. Everything that happens has reasons. I was pointing out that the
situation is unnecessarily bad in more ways than just the ones that people
already seemed to fully understand and be responding to.
I have spent plenty
EricC's response reminded me of the following story from last year. To add a
little tasty sugar to the message, imagine hospitals with full ICU and ED beds,
with entire floors closed because 40% of the staff is out sick or simply quit
from burnout, etc. I guess we'll all be better off when the
< If you go out to confront a grieving family --- a mother who you had drive
in, with their children, and who you then turned away at the door --- to tell
them that their loved one just died while you were turning them away, then you
should expect some severely negative reactions, up to, and inc
Wow. This reads like you've *never* spent any time witnessing hospital
operation. Surely that's not true. Surely you've spent time at an ICU bed side,
waiting for someone to not die, right? Or, perhaps you've taken a friend to the
emergency dept for some reason (like smacking their head on the
It's weird how many ways this can be dystopian all at the same time. Under
the assumption, that it is obvious what Nick replied "Yuck!" at, let me add:
- It is pretty easy to explain to people that ICU's require masks
regardless of Covid, that a cold could kill some other ICU patient who is
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