Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Roger Critchlow
As long as you stick to basic CNO type chemistry, you can probably figure out a valid SMILES generator pretty quickly. But it might be easier to work in the explicit molecule graph instead and just use SMILES as a content name string. The things that might go wrong after the SMILES input parses c

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
A search algorithm that, say, proposes a prefix or a suffix to a SMILES string would need to have a way to autocomplete candidates before it could use these descriptors to guide an optimization because the parsing step is non-trivial, never mind the sanitization step (mentioned on that web page)

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Roger Critchlow
Hmm, when I was in the drug discovery canal, the "descriptors" that you could calculate from a SMILES string were legion. Here's the list for RDKIT, https://www.rdkit.org/docs/GettingStartedInPython.html#list-of-available-descriptors. There are one bunch that depend entirely on the formula and mol

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
< An employee of mine once claimed "you don't understand my process". > I am really amazed how many interviews presume to try to understand how their candidates think. If it can be understood, it can be programmed. If it can be programmed, you don't need the candidate. If your poor employe

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Here's what I posted, for clarity. Your taking 1 sentence out of context is ... [ahem] ... slop. On 10/12/21 11:13 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > "General Semantics" reminds me of this guy: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Raniere > > or perhaps this guy: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubb

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"I post here because I like contextually laden posts." Ha. If only. Most of my posts (as well as just about everyone else that attempts to write meaningfully) are met with banality with probability near one, so don't give me that slop. You made a claim about something mattering: *"What matters is

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
In the Usenet days I had the sense that it was possible to argue down people. It might take a lot of work, but it was possible. The opposition might take you out of context or play rhetorical tricks, but there wasn’t fundamentally bad faith. There was some sense that there were winners and l

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Ha! Don't make the mistake of thinking because I act one way, my actions are an attempt to control your actions. You do whatever floats your listing boat. I was explaining my is→ought inference, not yours. However, to whatever extent another finds my laid out rhetoric plausible, they are free t

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
Why should any particular forum adhere to a set of rules or some arbitrary definition? In the CS Department at Carnegie Mellon there was the Opinion Bboard. The rule was that anything goes. A discussion of erotic fantasies (euphemism) emerged. A woman who was a high level administrator became o

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, similar to your "why must I mean all that" reaction to my past attempt at some kind of state space reconstruction of a pithy post from you, I can construct *many* generative models for your "Matters to what/whom?" post. But if it'll simply end with another pithy rejection of whatever I rec

[FRIAM] Wei Qi

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkuNWDG3yNM&t=70s&ab_channel=DWNews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obsHRjulO8A&ab_channel=DWNews ... So I can imagine a double-digit kyu witnessing Taiwan's "reintegration" into China and thinking, sure, you can capture those guys, do it! And then, I can almost h

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
I was playing with RDKIT the other day, and it wasn’t obvious how to get a scalar quantity of plausibility of a molecule. It seems a SMILES string is right or wrong, and then maybe there are some warnings that can be trapped. However, the benefits for search or fair sampling are different th

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"I call it heart rate research." Ah yes, the banality of evil. Where's Hannah. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"Bah. I understand it can be fun to troll. But if you can't make at least an attempt to avoid blankface pithiness, I can't respond." Sorry, I thought we were one something like the same wavelength there. Care to expand? Feel free to call me if you imagine that I am in anything but good faith chatt

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"I mean from the perspective of aesthetics. Understanding why Pandora is messing it up means sampling the deep wells." Yes, but not more than one has to. This is why I am advocating for methods like a weighted ensemble. The working analogy for me comes from drug discovery. It doesn't make a lot of

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
I mean from the perspective of aesthetics. Understanding why Pandora is messing it up means sampling the deep wells. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:16 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock? "Computing distributional overlap out in

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
I call it heart rate research. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 12:29 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > "if you're purposeful enough to actually target something ... instead of > staring at all the fingers." > > Ah, I knew it w

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Bah. I understand it can be fun to troll. But if you can't make at least an attempt to avoid blankface pithiness, I can't respond. On 10/12/21 11:25 AM, Jon Zingale wrote: > "What matters is whether a silly dance on TikTok goes viral." > > Matters to what/whom? I understand that it is a joke to

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"if you're purposeful enough to actually target something ... instead of staring at all the fingers." Ah, I knew it would come back around to Frank's phoney 1970's race research. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoo

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"What matters is whether a silly dance on TikTok goes viral." Matters to what/whom? I understand that it is a joke to imagine stewardship, but virality and its effects are the consequences of structural design. Wrt TypeFocus, seems like FaceBook should have (or maybe did) used that before hiring

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Ha! Well, I wouldn't fault Pandora for playing that tune on my Swill station. But I'd thumbs down it. So, perhaps I'm a hypocrite. My point about pointing was that there are scopes of similarity, some tightly focused on the sign, some tightly focused on the referent, some (Korzybski?) tightly f

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"Computing distributional overlap out in the tails of high dimensional distributions… Seems like it couldn’t possibly be sampled well enough to be informative." But isn't that where the money is? It is this kind of sampling game with limited resources over ridiculously large spaces that some of

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
"General Semantics" reminds me of this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Raniere or perhaps this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard (Funny story: We met a customer at the pub the other day who calls himself "Captain". When I asked him "What are you the Captain of?", the ba

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
I just listen to "Shuffle" which suits my purposes but it may be the least satisfactory for you. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 10:58 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Well, to be a little clearer, the Dwarves qualify as Swill.

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Computing distributional overlap out in the tails of high dimensional distributions… Seems like it couldn’t possibly be sampled well enough to be informative. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:52 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
PPS. Wrt the distinction between popularity and similarity, there is a sense to me that they both still aim to "point" at means, and this IMO, is part of the problem: With deep wells come deep silos. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexit

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
Wow, Tijuana Cartel, now that's what my morning has been missing. So are the similarity algorithms actually different or simply different datasets? I get why similarity seems like a good idea at first, but clearly, now that the boat is moving... or maybe said a different way, "You have your whole l

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, to be a little clearer, the Dwarves qualify as Swill. Danzig and Tool do not. Rage Against the Machine comes close enough. It's obvious their technical skill prevents them from being Swill. But their target emotional response is the same. So I gave Pandora some slack there. What I find ir

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
I was thinking D.E. Shaw, Musk, Gates Foundation, that sort of thing. I don’t see academics as particularly privileged. In some ways it seems rather miserable. I can see why the billionaires invest in age research. The first life has to be spent getting the pile of money to spend in the se

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
"Canal hopping is distinct from turning up the heat?" In the Brownian limit, no, but otherwise yes. "To *really* keep foraging it seems to me vast privilege is needed." I hear you as advocating for academia-like institutions, here? I understand the classic arguments, that it is difficult to rese

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Canal hopping is distinct from turning up the heat? Some bruising can be expected when one bounces off the side of a canal 20 feet up in the air, and lands on a bike stand. Is there really any more to hustle? By dumb luck one can find some other interesting place this way. A problem with

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I haven't read it, yet, but intend to: Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12-step programs for alcohol use disorder https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32159228/ If we believe the results, my guess is the mechanism of action is *not* belief, but behavior. Emotion is a poignant behavior and shouldn't rea

[FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Jon Zingale
""" I want to get this into some ethics of AI/ML course materials, but I guess it would be the aesthetics of AI/ML and the ethics of inflicting bad aesthetics on a captive audience. """ Perhaps, it could be part of a wider collection of courses called "The Aesthetics of Domination"? Tongues-in-che

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Running takes a lot of time. Runners say it is good, and often try to recruit more runners, but the activity is probably a net productivity drain. The elevated alertness after running doesn't last that long. It creates a focus around something that is pretty fleeting. Perhaps runners live

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Prof David West
The source of all evil is *'is'*. This notion is implicit and semi-explicit in most mystical philosophies and is explicitly applied to thinking in the works of Korzibski and the General Semantics literature that was briefly popular and widespread a few decades back. davew On Tue, Oct 12, 202

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Prof David West
Chuang Tzu's butcher did explain how he did it — "I just cut where the meat isn't." davew On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > As Yogi Berra might have said: all this talk about the ineffable, je ne sais > quoi. > > The way that can be spoken is not the way, because the

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Exactly, which is why Hume's Law is a criticism of axiomatic thinking. We clearly do derive ought from is. Is is the only is that is. Is this a type of moral realism? Emergentist morality? On 10/12/21 6:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > As Yogi Berra might have said: all this talk about the ineffa

Re: [FRIAM] Schwill Rock?

2021-10-12 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 9:22 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > [...] > > That said, I made some effort a few weeks ago (as well as on Friday) to > get a conversation started around what suggestion engines and search > engines could potentially do differently. One promising idea I have been > researching a

[FRIAM] QuickMap

2021-10-12 Thread thompnickson2
Stephen, Is this your work? http://quickmap.dot.ca.gov/ Nick .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfi

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread Roger Critchlow
As Yogi Berra might have said: all this talk about the ineffable, je ne sais quoi. The way that can be spoken is not the way, because the speaking itself spoils the effect. Chuang Tzu's butcher can carve a beast in one fluid stroke of the knife, but he can't explain how he's doing it; and if he d

Re: [FRIAM] [dis]integrated

2021-10-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I feel that way about anyone who "stands in awe" of anything, actually. We're consistently bombarded with phrases like "the majesty of" this or that ... or this or that "takes my breath away" and whatnot. Maybe we could call such nonsense the Idioms of Awe. Religious belief is the favorite bogey