Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Timothy Brown
Hi All, There is a large variability between labs. An extensive effort has begun for produce a "Harmonized Protocol for Hippocampal Volumetry", see: http://www.hippocampal-protocol.net/SOPs/index.html This group has been working on this goal for a few years. Good resources at their site, par

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Joshua I'll cc Jean Augustinack and Stephan Heckers, who I know have opinions on this issue :) cheers Bruce On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Joshua Lee wrote: There is great variability between the different segmentation protocols used by different research groups, and I think people are eager for

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Joshua Lee
There is great variability between the different segmentation protocols used by different research groups, and I think people are eager for a standard to facilitate comparison and replication. By becoming part of Freesurfer, I suspect that your segmentation algorithm will become that standard. Luc

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Koen Van Leemput
Hi Joshua, I'm not a neuroanatomist so I can't really answer that question. My aim has just been to replicate what a human expert has given us as segmentation examples on a number of different subjects. I know that different labs follow very different conventions for labeling the subfields manual

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Joshua Lee
At least by my reading of the Duvernoy Human Hippocampus atlas, the most anterior and posterior extents of the hippocmapus (perhaps just a slice at the tips in most scans) are almost entirely composed of the CA1 subfield. Thoughts? Joshua - Joshua Lee Graduate Student Center for Mind and Brain & D

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Alan Francis
Thanks Koen. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Koen Van Leemput wrote: > The answer is close to what Shashwath suggested, except that the > "Hippocampus" segmentation is really computed at the same time as all > the other subfields. For unfortunate reasons, the tail of the > hippocampus that is no

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Koen Van Leemput
The answer is close to what Shashwath suggested, except that the "Hippocampus" segmentation is really computed at the same time as all the other subfields. For unfortunate reasons, the tail of the hippocampus that is not further subdivided in our manual training segmentations was called "Hippocampu

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation

2011-11-17 Thread Koen Van Leemput
Hi Allan and Joshua, The hippocampal subfield segmentation really just uses a few output files generated by the usual FreeSurfer volumetric stream, so the short answer is that it should be perfectly possible to use 5.1 to do hippocampal subfield segmentation on FreeSurfer results processed with 5.

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-16 Thread Alan Francis
Thanks Shashwath. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Shashwath wrote: > Alan- I believe the label "hippocampus" here refers to the remaining hippo > segment after the algorithm has completed labelling of all subfields. In > essence this would not be a measure that conveys very meaningful info. >

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-16 Thread Shashwath
Alan- I believe the label "hippocampus" here refers to the remaining hippo segment after the algorithm has completed labelling of all subfields. In essence this would not be a measure that conveys very meaningful info. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Alan Francis wrote: > H

[Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub field segmentation

2011-11-16 Thread Alan Francis
Hi Koen and FreeSurfers: I have a 3T dataset that has undergone processing using 5.1. I have also run the Hippo sub fields command. Here are my results: [root@NeuroImage-Gamma mri]# kvlQuantifyPosteriorProbabilityImages $FREESURFER_HOME/data/GEMS/compressionLookupTable.txt posterior_right_* poste

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation

2011-11-02 Thread Joshua Lee
Thats an interesting suggestion, givien my recently reported issues with the talairach in FreeSurfer 5.1. - Joshua Lee Graduate Student Center for Mind and Brain & Department of Psychology University of California, Davis 530.747.3805 On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Bruce Fischl wrote: > I belie

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation

2011-11-02 Thread Bruce Fischl
I believe so, but Koen is the one who would know for sure Bruce On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Alan Francis wrote: Hello Bruce et al,   I have a dataset processed in 5.0. Can I use the Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation tools of 5.1 to process these?   thanks so much,   Alan   BIDMC/ Psychiatry __

[Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation

2011-11-02 Thread Alan Francis
Hello Bruce et al, I have a dataset processed in 5.0. Can I use the Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation tools of 5.1 to process these? thanks so much, Alan BIDMC/ Psychiatry ___ Freesurfer mailing list Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https://mail.nmr.mg

Re: [Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation -Appropriate Scan Protocol to Use

2011-11-01 Thread Koen Van Leemput
Hi Joshua, The version of the hippocampal subfield segmentation routines currently in FreeSurfer will only work out of the box on the usual FreeSurfer-resampled 1mm isotropic data. If you are technically skilled, it should be possible to tweak things to make it work on other data (we don't assume

[Freesurfer] Hippocampal Sub-Field Segmentation -Appropriate Scan Protocol to Use

2011-10-14 Thread Joshua Lee
Dear Experts, I've been collecting hi-res hippocampal scans with a 32 ch coil on a 3T Siemens Trio to manually segment hippocampal subfields. However, I wonder whether the protocol is appropriate for use with the new Freesurfer subfield segmentation tool. Specifically, our hi-res scan does not ca