Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-22 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Liam, I do not recall sending abuse to you privately. Of course abuse, like offense is often and largely an experience chosen by the person taking offense, speaking personally. I truly respect your personal experience of course. My point here though is there where the human body, medical d

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-22 Thread Liam Proven via Freedos-user
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 13:24, Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user wrote: > One of them is the "BNS Build". This one comes with the > Provox screen reader enabled during installation and is then installed > along with the core SvarDOS packages. Thanks for the clarification. -- Liam Proven ~ Profil

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-22 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 22/11/2024 14:01, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote: I am just beginning to explore SvarDOS but as far as I can tell it does not have a screenreader of any kind, no. On the main page of the SvarDOS website there are 3 builds of the OS available. One of them is the "BNS Build". This one com

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-22 Thread Liam Proven via Freedos-user
On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 18:38, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: > I wish to break this down a bit, and correct some misconceptions. I will regret this. The last time I replied to you, you responded by sending abusive messages to my personal inbox. Do not do so again or I will be forced to

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-20 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi, I did not get any lag from your sample. Latency speaking personally tends to be a Linux kind of thing. Confused by your comment though. that 18% are the ones who as you believed wearing a blindfold matched..in total darkness. the majority, myself included, certainly have never known that

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-20 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 20/11/2024 05:00, Karen Lewellen wrote: No matter how well intention, for the sake of the scientists and engineers  living in that 18% arena, please do not project that test of yours on to another human being. The 18% are very welcome to set up a DOS VM on a Linux host with emubns and Pipe

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Mateusz I am only going to speak to one point at the moment. I will resist pointing out some considerable confusion by the above statement, simply asking why you believe this is true? I tried at several occasions to use a computer being blindfolded. I am able to create a simple text fi

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-19 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
Hello Karen, see my answers below. This might not be the best place for this topic, though. I wouldn't want to annoy the list, especially since it is not strictly FreeDOS related. If you'd like to take this offlist, or would know a more appropriate list or forum, I'd be happy to oblige. >Firs

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-19 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi mMateusz, I wish to break this down a bit, and correct some misconceptions. Especially given the potential, along with what others shared about getting a pie to do what is needful. see my questions in context. On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user wrote: I had describe

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-19 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
Hi Karen, I had described my setup already a couple of weeks ago I think. I used my BNS emulator, emubns, and connected it to a virtual machine running SvarDOS. The SvarDOS system has a screen reader that outputs speech in the BNS format. This BNS speech is received by emubns, who relays it fo

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-11-18 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Mateusz, Finally had a moment to check out your piper in DOS sample. If I am forthright, that was frankly stunning. granted, I imagine many factors impacted that sound quality, but I have questions about your process, both how it differs because Piper is in Linux and what you used for t

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-18 Thread tsiegel--- via Freedos-user
No they aren't.  Most raspberry pi computers are considerably less than 100 bucks. You can order a pi4 with 1GB of ram for just $35 from digikey, and a pi4 with 8GB of ram for $75 from adafruit.  Obviously the ones with 2GB and 4GB are going to priced in between these two extremes.  The over 1

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-18 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
How do you use  a keyboard with it? You cannot. The Pi Pico is not a full computer for desktop use. As said, the smallest Pi which can be used as a full computer is the Pi Zero: https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ It has USB, Wifi, Bluetooth and HDMI, but only 0.5 GB

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
How do you use a keyboard with it? Karen On Fri, 18 Oct 2024, G.W. Haywood via Freedos-user wrote: Hi there, On Thu, 17 Oct 2024, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: ... You can get Raspbarry Pi and similar computers for less than 100 USD ... You can get them for less than 5 USD: http

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi Ged, You can get Raspbarry Pi and similar computers for less than 100 USD ... You can get them for less than 5 USD: https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico/ While those are from the same brand, they are not from the same category: A Pi Pico lets you control a few electro

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread G.W. Haywood via Freedos-user
Hi there, On Thu, 17 Oct 2024, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: ... You can get Raspbarry Pi and similar computers for less than 100 USD ... You can get them for less than 5 USD: https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico/ I have several of the 'Pi Zero' which were less than 10

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user
Hi! As you asked about Raspberry Pi: Those are a popular variant of so-called single-board computers. In a way, they are a by-product of smartphone technology. They combine a full computer with USB, LAN and HDMI ports on a circuit board the size of a smartphone. They do not have phone features.

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 17/10/2024 18:03, Karen Lewellen wrote: Others can speak to how available these Raspberry pie things are world wide, how  easy to configure independently, I take it no software is needed to run them? A Raspberry Pi is a cheap computer the size of a large box of matches. Instead of a hard d

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi, Glad the guide came through, I got a message stating the post needed approval. While your YouTube link was a personal closed door, google's removing basic html access being part of the reason, your second link let me get the audio file for download. Others can speak to how available these

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-17 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 17/10/2024 00:22, Karen Lewellen wrote: I have never run  provox, but have a copy.  Let me see if there is a users guide to share. Thanks for sharing. It appears provox have a few different modes for processing punctuation. These can be switched with slash-F5. I would personally apprecia

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-16 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Mateusz, The ability to adjust how much, or how little one wishes to hear things like punctuation marks and keystrokes is the hallmark of a properly developed screen reader. Most of the better DOS programs allow for this, with associated drivers written for the synthesizers adding human ri

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-16 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 15/10/2024 17:12, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Other factor speaking personally with espeak is the largely poor speech quality. I experimented a bit with emubns today. Ended up using "piper" instead of espeak. The speech quality is outstanding now, almost lifelike. I was able to

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Lawrence, You shared that you got freedos working with orca. What specific DOS programs did you test with that setup? Karen On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, Lawrence Perez via Freedos-user wrote: Hello, On a previous thread I discussed that I was able to get FreeDOS working under QEMU with Orca. I

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Lawrence Perez via Freedos-user
Hello, On a previous thread I discussed that I was able to get FreeDOS working under QEMU with Orca. I believe this would be a good alternative if we can’t get DOSEMU2 working under Linux. I imagine that Espeakup would work due to the -nographic QEMU option that sends output to a terminal. I ha

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user
Hey, that's not a bad idea Lawrence. E-speak up could probably still work with Dos emu under Arch. It doesn't work on the newer version of Slint for some reason. It would be ideal to have a boot disk that would come up talking like Linux does. Maybe your thought of using Linux could work. Someo

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Lawrence Perez via Freedos-user
Hello, I'm not a developer, but I believe there may be some complications with getting a software speech synthesizer to work. Most DOS systems are designed to be 16-bit, whereas modern software speech synthesizers typically run on 32-bit or 64-bit, or even, in the case of Raspberry Pi computers

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Other factor speaking personally with espeak is the largely poor speech quality. There is an effort to get copyright clearance for one of the dectalk software speech sources. I have no idea what the pi would provide speech wise, nor the cost factor. Still, there are dectalk USB units available a

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user
Thanks! I'll have a look at this. On 10/15/2024 6:36 AM, Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user wrote: On 14/10/2024 17:37, Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, That distro sounds interesting, but I need to run free dos on different computers. If it had speech accessibility free dos would be very

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-15 Thread Mateusz Viste via Freedos-user
On 14/10/2024 17:37, Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, That distro sounds interesting, but I need to run free dos on different computers. If it had speech accessibility free dos would be very useful to blind people world wide considering all the free dos programs you can get and the amo

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread tsiegel--- via Freedos-user
I'm not sure about porting espeak to dos, I'd be inclined to believe it would take a heck of a lot of work if it's even possible, since for the most part, it depends on linux api calls and kernel functions to do most of it's work.  Not to say it couldn't be done, but it wuld be a quite differen

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Lawrence, I have a serious Linux friend wanting to do this comparatively. not with orca, but another Linux tool. does your process extend to command line Linux? Karen On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Lawrence Perez via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, Do you plan to run FreeDOS directly on computer hardware

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user
Hi Mike, I am not a personal fan of bottom posting, but will do so in this case..so see below your own question for my answers smiles. On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, if this isn't the correct list for this question please let me know which list I should try.

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user
Hi, That distro sounds interesting, but I need to run free dos on different computers. If it had speech accessibility free dos would be very useful to blind people world wide considering all the free dos programs you can get and the amount of old computers many of can be had for free or next to

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread Lawrence Perez via Freedos-user
Hi, Do you plan to run FreeDOS directly on computer hardware, or in a virtual machine? I've had success with getting FreeDOS to work within QEMU in terminal only mode, allowing you to use a modern screen reader, such as Orca on Linux, but it could probably work on MacOS and VoiceOver. Not sure

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread Felix G. via Freedos-user
Hello list, I remember that Joseph Norton has put together a FreeDOS distro with the ASAP screen reader. However, this will not speak on its own---it sends speech output to COM1, where it expects a hardware speech synthesizer. If you run FreeDOS in a VM you can redirect the guest's COM1 to one end

Re: [Freedos-user] Accessibility question.

2024-10-14 Thread G.W. Haywood via Freedos-user
Hi there, On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Mike Coulombe via Freedos-user wrote: ... I'm visually impaired and would like to use free dos. My vision is good but I'm chiming in now in case others take longer to get to your message. I believe a number of people on this list are visually impaired and I hav