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2010/10/15 Márcio Luciano Donada > Hi, > We buy some hardware, new, but came with processors exchanged below what > we ask. However, the manufacturing of hardware, informed us that we > could install everything and then just replace the processor. how will I > use FreeBSD in 90% of these servers,

Re: Hardware

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 03:02:59PM -0300, M?rcio Luciano Donada wrote: > Hi, > We buy some hardware, new, but came with processors exchanged below what > we ask. However, the manufacturing of hardware, informed us that we > could install everything and then just replace the processor. how will I >

Re: hardware for home use large storage

2010/3/21 Andriy Gapon : > on 09/02/2010 14:53 Andriy Gapon said the following: >> on 09/02/2010 12:32 Matthew D. Fuller said the following: >>> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:37:50PM +1030 I heard the voice of >>> Daniel O'Connor, and lo! it spake thus: Probably the result of idiotic penny pinchi

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on 09/02/2010 14:53 Andriy Gapon said the following: > on 09/02/2010 12:32 Matthew D. Fuller said the following: >> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:37:50PM +1030 I heard the voice of >> Daniel O'Connor, and lo! it spake thus: >>> Probably the result of idiotic penny pinching though :-/ >> Irritating. O

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On Tue, February 16, 2010 2:05 pm, Alexander Motin wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> On Wed, February 10, 2010 10:00 pm, Bruce Simpson wrote: >>> On 02/10/10 19:40, Steve Polyack wrote: I haven't had such bad experience as the above, but it is certainly a concern. Using ZFS we simply 'off

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Dan Langille wrote: > On Wed, February 10, 2010 10:00 pm, Bruce Simpson wrote: >> On 02/10/10 19:40, Steve Polyack wrote: >>> I haven't had such bad experience as the above, but it is certainly a >>> concern. Using ZFS we simply 'offline' the device, pull, replace with >>> a new one, glabel, and z

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On 2010-02-15 10:29:22PM +0100, Gót András wrote: > On Hét, Február 15, 2010 10:15 pm, Dan Naumov wrote: > >>> A C2Q CPU makes little sense right now from a performance POV. For > >>> the price of that C2Q CPU + LGA775 board you can get an i5 750 CPU and > >>> a 1156 socket motherboard that will ru

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On 2010-02-15 02:25:57PM -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: > > How much ram are you running with? > > 8GB on amd64. kmem_size=16G, zfs.arc_max=6G > > > In a latest test with 8.0-R on i386 with 2GB of ram, an install to a ZFS > > root *will* panic the kernel with kmem_size too small with default > > se

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On 2/16/2010 6:28 AM, Miroslav Lachman wrote: Dan Langille wrote: Daniel O'Connor wrote: [...] Why even bother with the LSI card at all? That board already has 6 SATA slots - depends how many disks you want to use of course. (5 HDs + 1 DVD drive?) Plus two SATA drives in a gmirror for the

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > I have my backup storage machine booted from USB stick (as read-only > UFS) with 4x 1TB HDDs in RAIDZ. It is running one and half year > without problem. Yeah, I am booting off a 4Gb CF card with adapter (I didn't trust the BIOS enough for USB :) I

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Dan Langille wrote: Daniel O'Connor wrote: [...] Why even bother with the LSI card at all? That board already has 6 SATA slots - depends how many disks you want to use of course. (5 HDs + 1 DVD drive?) Plus two SATA drives in a gmirror for the base OS, and one optical. I want a minimum of 8

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, jfar...@goldsword.com wrote: > > Just out of curiousity, would not an older server like this: > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=DL145-5R (~$75 + shipping) or > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DL360-6R&cat=SYS (~$190 + shipping) > > be a reasonable option? Unl

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Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Steve Polyack wrote: I'm not sure about that particular card, but we've never seen that great of performance out of the LSI MegaRAID cards that ship with Dell servers as the PERC. The newest incarnations are better, but I would try to get an Areca. T

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Steve Polyack wrote: > I'm not sure about that particular card, but we've never seen that > great of performance out of the LSI MegaRAID cards that ship with > Dell servers as the PERC.  The newest incarnations are better, but I > would try to get an Areca.  The ones we have te

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On 2/15/2010 6:04 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Steve Polyack wrote: On 02/15/10 12:14, Dan Langille wrote: 7. Supermicro LSI MegaRAID 8 Port SAS RAID Controller $118 Dan, I'm not sure about that particular card, but we've never seen that great of performance out of the LSI MegaRAID cards th

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Steve Polyack wrote: On 02/15/10 12:14, Dan Langille wrote: 7. Supermicro LSI MegaRAID 8 Port SAS RAID Controller $118 Dan, I'm not sure about that particular card, but we've never seen that great of performance out of the LSI MegaRAID cards that ship with Dell servers as the PERC. Th

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Just out of curiousity, would not an older server like this: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=DL145-5R (~$75 + shipping) or http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DL360-6R&cat=SYS (~$190 + shipping) be a reasonable option? Unless you're looking to suck every last bit of speed or

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Naumov wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my co

Re: hardware for home use large storage

> How much ram are you running with? 8GB on amd64. kmem_size=16G, zfs.arc_max=6G > In a latest test with 8.0-R on i386 with 2GB of ram, an install to a ZFS > root *will* panic the kernel with kmem_size too small with default > settings. Even dropping down to Cy Schubert's uber-small config will p

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On Hét, Február 15, 2010 10:15 pm, Dan Naumov wrote: >>> A C2Q CPU makes little sense right now from a performance POV. For >>> the price of that C2Q CPU + LGA775 board you can get an i5 750 CPU and >>> a 1156 socket motherboard that will run circles around that C2Q. You >>> would lose the ECC thou

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>> A C2Q CPU makes little sense right now from a performance POV. For the >> price of that C2Q CPU + LGA775 board you can get an i5 750 CPU and a 1156 >> socket motherboard that will run circles around that C2Q. You would lose >> the ECC though, since that requires the more expensive 1366 socket CP

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On 02/15/10 12:14, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supe

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Hét, Február 15, 2010 9:39 pm, Dan Naumov wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > >> Dan Naumov wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille >>> wrote: >>> Dan Naumov wrote: >> >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: >>

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > Dan Naumov wrote: >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >>> >>> Dan Naumov wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: >> >> After creating three different system configurations (Athena, >> Su

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Artem Belevich wrote: AB> It used to be that vm.kmem_size_max needed to be bumped to allow for AB> larger vm.kmem_size. It's no longer needed on amd64. Not sure about AB> i386. AB> AB> vm.kmem_size still needs tuning, though. While vm.kmem_size_max is no AB> longer a limit, t

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>>> * vm.kmem_size >>> * vm.kmem_size_max >> >> I tried kmem_size_max on -current (this year), and I got a panic during >> use, >> I changed kmem_size to the same value I have for _max and it didn't >> panic >> anymore. It looks (from mails on the lists) that _max is supposed to >> give a >> max v

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD

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>> * vm.kmem_size >> * vm.kmem_size_max > > I tried kmem_size_max on -current (this year), and I got a panic during use, > I changed kmem_size to the same value I have for _max and it didn't panic > anymore. It looks (from mails on the lists) that _max is supposed to give a > max value for auto-enh

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Quoting Jeremy Chadwick (from Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:27:44 -0800): On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:50:00AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Jeremy Chadwick (from Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:07:56 -0800): >On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote: >>> I had a feeling someone woul

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Ulf Zimmermann wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:33:07PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Get a dock for holding 2 x 2,5" disks in a single 5,25" slot and put it at the top, in the only 5,25" bay of the case. That sounds very interesting. I just looking around for such a thing, and could not find it

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:50:00AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Jeremy Chadwick (from Mon, 15 Feb > 2010 01:07:56 -0800): > > >On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote: > >>> I had a feeling someone would bring up L2ARC/cache devices. This gives > >>> me the oppo

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Quoting Jeremy Chadwick (from Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:07:56 -0800): On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote: > I had a feeling someone would bring up L2ARC/cache devices. This gives > me the opportunity to ask something that's been on my mind for quite > some time now: > >

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:33:07PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > >Get a dock for holding 2 x 2,5" disks in a single 5,25" slot and put > >it at the top, in the only 5,25" bay of the case. > > That sounds very interesting. I just looking around for such a thing, > and could not find it. Is there

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote: > > I had a feeling someone would bring up L2ARC/cache devices. This gives > > me the opportunity to ask something that's been on my mind for quite > > some time now: > > > > Aside from the capacity different (e.g. 40GB vs. 1GB), is there

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> I had a feeling someone would bring up L2ARC/cache devices. This gives > me the opportunity to ask something that's been on my mind for quite > some time now: > > Aside from the capacity different (e.g. 40GB vs. 1GB), is there a > benefit to using a dedicated RAM disk (e.g. md(4)) to a pool for

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:57:10AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Dan Naumov (from Mon, 15 Feb 2010 > 01:10:49 +0200): > > >Get a dock for holding 2 x 2,5" disks in a single 5,25" slot and put > >it at the top, in the only 5,25" bay of the case. Now add an > >additional PCI-E SATA co

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > > [snip] > > DL> > SAS controller ($120): > DL> > > http://www.buy.com/prod/supermicro-lsi-megaraid-lsisas1068e-8-port-sas-raid-controller-16mb/q/loc/101/207929556.html > DL> > Note: You'll need to change o

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Dan Naumov wrote: DN> >> PSU: Corsair 400CX 80+ - 59 euro - DN> > DN> >> http://www.corsair.com/products/cx/default.aspx DN> > DN> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008 for $50 DN> > DN> > Is that sufficient power up to 10 SATA HDD and an optical dr

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Quoting Dan Naumov (from Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:10:49 +0200): Get a dock for holding 2 x 2,5" disks in a single 5,25" slot and put it at the top, in the only 5,25" bay of the case. Now add an additional PCI-E SATA controller card, like the often mentioned PCIE SIL3124. Now you have 2 x 2,5" disk

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: [snip] DL> > SAS controller ($120): DL> > http://www.buy.com/prod/supermicro-lsi-megaraid-lsisas1068e-8-port-sas-raid-controller-16mb/q/loc/101/207929556.html DL> > Note: You'll need to change or remove the mounting bracket since it is DL> > "backwards".

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Dan Langille wrote: > Dan Naumov wrote: >> Now add an >> additional PCI-E SATA controller card, like the often mentioned PCIE >> SIL3124. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124026 for $35 This is PCI-X version. Unless you have PCI-X slot, PCIe x1 version seems preferabl

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Langille wrote: > Alexander Motin wrote: >> Steve Polyack wrote: >>> On 2/10/2010 12:02 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Don't use a port multiplier and this goes away. I was hoping to avoid a PM and using something like the Syba PCI Express SATA II 4 x Ports RAID Controller seems to be

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > > I priced a decent ZFS PC for a small business and it was AUD$2500 > > including the disks (5x750Gb), case, PSU etc.. > > Yes, and this one doesn't yet have HDD. > > Can you supply details of your system? 1 AP400791A 4U Rackmount chassis (no

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Charles Sprickman wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burn

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>> PSU: Corsair 400CX 80+ - 59 euro - > >> http://www.corsair.com/products/cx/default.aspx > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008 for $50 > > Is that sufficient power up to 10 SATA HDD and an optical drive? Disk power use varies from about 8 watt/disk for "green" disks

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Naumov wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choic

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD

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> your ZFS pool of SATA disks has 120gb worth of L2ARC space Keep in mind that housekeeping of 120G L2ARC may potentially require fair amount of RAM, especially if you're dealing with tons of small files. See this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-disc...@opensolaris.org/msg34674.html --Ar

Re: hardware for home use large storage

- Original Message - From: "Dan Langille" To: "Wes Morgan" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: Re: hardware for home use large storage Whether I use hardware or software RAID is undecided. I I think I am leaning t

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: DL> I'm looking at creating a large home use storage machine. Budget is a DL> concern, but size and reliability are also a priority. Noise is also a DL> concern, since this will be at home, in the basement. That, and cost, DL> p

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Dan Naumov wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > > After creating three different system configurations (Athena, > Supermicro, and HP), my configuration

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Wes Morgan wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Langille wrote: Hi, I'm looking at creating a large home use storage machine. Budget is a concern, but size and reliability are also a priority. Noise is also a concern, since this will be at home, in the basement. That, and co

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > Dan Naumov wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup:    1. Sam

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping)

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Alexander Motin wrote: Steve Polyack wrote: On 2/10/2010 12:02 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Don't use a port multiplier and this goes away. I was hoping to avoid a PM and using something like the Syba PCI Express SATA II 4 x Ports RAID Controller seems to be the best solution so far. http://www.am

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: DM> other parts are regular SocketAM2+ motherboard, Athlon X4, 8G ram, DM> FreeBSD/amd64 well, not exactly "regular" - it's ASUS M2N-LR-SATA with 10 SATA channels, but I suppose there are comparable in "workstation" mobo

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Naumov wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping) 2. SuperMicro 5046A $750 (+$43 shipping)

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Steve Polyack wrote: > On 2/10/2010 12:02 AM, Dan Langille wrote: >> Don't use a port multiplier and this goes away. I was hoping to avoid >> a PM and using something like the Syba PCI Express SATA II 4 x Ports >> RAID Controller seems to be the best solution so far. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Sy

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking at creating a large home use storage machine. Budget is a > > concern, but size and reliability are also a priority. Noise is also a > > concern, since this will be at home, in the basement. That, and cos

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> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: >> After creating three different system configurations (Athena, >> Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro >> setup: >> >> 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping) >> 2. SuperMicro 5046A $750 (+$43 shipping) >>

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Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: After creating three different system configurations (Athena, Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro setup: 1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping) 2. SuperMicro 5046A $750 (+$43 shippi

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > > After creating three different system configurations (Athena, > > Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro > > setup: > > > >     1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping) >

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > After creating three different system configurations (Athena, > Supermicro, and HP), my configuration of choice is this Supermicro > setup: > >     1. Samsung SATA CD/DVD Burner $20 (+ $8 shipping) >     2. SuperMicro 5046A $750 (+$43 shipping) >     3. LS

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Dan Langille wrote: Hi, I'm looking at creating a large home use storage machine. Budget is a concern, but size and reliability are also a priority. Noise is also a concern, since this will be at home, in the basement. That, and cost, pretty much rules out a commercial case, such as a 3U c

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Wed, February 10, 2010 10:00 pm, Bruce Simpson wrote: > On 02/10/10 19:40, Steve Polyack wrote: >> >> I haven't had such bad experience as the above, but it is certainly a >> concern. Using ZFS we simply 'offline' the device, pull, replace with >> a new one, glabel, and zfs replace. It seems

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On 02/10/10 19:40, Steve Polyack wrote: I haven't had such bad experience as the above, but it is certainly a concern. Using ZFS we simply 'offline' the device, pull, replace with a new one, glabel, and zfs replace. It seems to work fine as long as nothing is accessing the device you are re

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: DL> Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: DL> > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: DL> > DL> > DM> other parts are regular SocketAM2+ motherboard, Athlon X4, 8G ram, DM> DL> > FreeBSD/amd64 DL> > DL> > well, not exactly "regular" - it's ASUS M2N-LR-SATA wit

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Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: DM> other parts are regular SocketAM2+ motherboard, Athlon X4, 8G ram, DM> FreeBSD/amd64 well, not exactly "regular" - it's ASUS M2N-LR-SATA with 10 SATA channels, but I suppose there are comparable in "workstation" mobo

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: DM> other parts are regular SocketAM2+ motherboard, Athlon X4, 8G ram, DM> FreeBSD/amd64 well, not exactly "regular" - it's ASUS M2N-LR-SATA with 10 SATA channels, but I suppose there are comparable in "workstation" mobo market now... -- Sincerely

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: DL> I'm looking at creating a large home use storage machine. Budget is a DL> concern, but size and reliability are also a priority. Noise is also a DL> concern, since this will be at home, in the basement. That, and cost, DL> pretty much rules out a comm

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On 2/8/2010 12:01 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of 8x1TB (or larger) SATA drives. I've found a case[2] with hot-swap bays[3], that seems interesting. I haven't looked at power supplies, but given that number of drives, I expect something beefy with a decent reputation is called for.

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On 2/10/2010 12:02 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Trying to make sense of stuff I don't know about... Matthew Dillon wrote: AHCI on-motherboard with equivalent capabilities do not appear to be in wide distribution yet. Most AHCI chips can do NCQ to a single target (even a single target b

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On 10 February 2010 08:33, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > >> > I have something similar (5x1Tb) - I have a Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H >> > with an Athlon X2 and 4Gb of RAM (only half filled - 2x2Gb) >> > >> > Note that it doesn't support ECC, I don't know if that is a prob

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Langille wrote: Boris Kochergin wrote: Dan Langille wrote: Boris Kochergin wrote: Peter C. Lai wrote: On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) ge

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Boris Kochergin wrote: Dan Langille wrote: Boris Kochergin wrote: Peter C. Lai wrote: On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Dan Langille wrote: Boris Kochergin wrote: Peter C. Lai wrote: On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey hardware raid

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:Correction -- more than likely on a consumer motherboard you *will not* :be able to put a non-VGA card into the PCIe x16 slot. I have numerous :Asus and Gigabyte motherboards which only accept graphics cards in their :PCIe x16 slots; this """feature""" is documented in user manuals. I :don't kno

Re: hardware for home use large storage / remote management KVM card

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:30:54PM +0100, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Svein Skogen (Listmail Account) wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On 09.02.2010 15:37, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > >*SNIP* > >> > >>I can't agree with the last statement about HP's iLO. I have addon ca

Re: hardware for home use large storage / remote management KVM card

Svein Skogen (Listmail Account) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09.02.2010 15:37, Miroslav Lachman wrote: *SNIP* I can't agree with the last statement about HP's iLO. I have addon card in ML110 G5 (dedicated NIC), the card is "expensive" and bugs are amazing. The manage

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Sze, Február 10, 2010 11:55 am, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:27:53AM +0100, Pieter de Goeje wrote: > >> On Wednesday 10 February 2010 05:28:57 Dan Langille wrote: >> >>> Boris Kochergin wrote: >>> Peter C. Lai wrote: > On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Lang

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:27:53AM +0100, Pieter de Goeje wrote: > On Wednesday 10 February 2010 05:28:57 Dan Langille wrote: > > Boris Kochergin wrote: > > > Peter C. Lai wrote: > > >> On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > > >>> Charles Sprickman wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010,

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 05:28:57 Dan Langille wrote: > Boris Kochergin wrote: > > Peter C. Lai wrote: > >> On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > >>> Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > Also, it seems like > people who use zfs (or

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Peter C. Lai wrote: > On 2010-02-09 05:32:02PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> One similar product that does seem to work well is iLO, available on >>> HP/Compaq hardware. >> >> I've heard great things about that.

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Trying to make sense of stuff I don't know about... Matthew Dillon wrote: AHCI on-motherboard with equivalent capabilities do not appear to be in wide distribution yet. Most AHCI chips can do NCQ to a single target (even a single target behind a PM), but not concurrently to mul

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Boris Kochergin wrote: Peter C. Lai wrote: On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey hardware raid cards for compatibil

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 11:31:55AM -0500, Peter C. Lai wrote: > Also does anybody know if benching dd if=/dev/zero onto a zfs volume that > has compression turned on might affect what dd (which is getting what it > knows from vfs/vmm) might report? Absolutely! Compression on: 4294967296 bytes tra

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > > I have something similar (5x1Tb) - I have a Gigabyte > > > GA-MA785GM-US2H with an Athlon X2 and 4Gb of RAM (only half > > > filled - 2x2Gb) > > > > > > Note that it doesn't support ECC, I don't know if that is a > >

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On 2010-02-09 05:32:02PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> One similar product that does seem to work well is iLO, available on >> HP/Compaq hardware. > > I've heard great things about that. It seems like a much better design - > it's essentially a s

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:53:26AM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:21:32PM +1100, Andrew Snow wrote: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H Supermicro just released a

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey hardware raid cards for compatibility reasons. There seem to be no decent add-on SATA cards t

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > I have something similar (5x1Tb) - I have a Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H > > with an Athlon X2 and 4Gb of RAM (only half filled - 2x2Gb) > > > > Note that it doesn't support ECC, I don't know if that is a problem. > > How's that? Is the BIOS just stupid, or is the board

Re: hardware for home use large storage

The Silicon Image 3124A chipsets (the PCI-e version of the 3124. The original 3124 was PCI-x). The 3124A's are starting to make their way into distribution channels. This is probably the best 'cheap' solution which offers fully concurrent multi-target NCQ operation through a port

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On 2010-02-09 07:52:05PM +0100, Andre Wensing wrote: > > > Freddie Cash wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Dan Langille wrote: >> >>> Charles Sprickman wrote: >>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe)

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Freddie Cash wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey hardware raid cards for compatibility reasons. There see

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: >> >> > Also, it seems like > >> people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey >> hardware raid cards for compatibility reasons. There seem to be

Re: hardware for home use large storage

Peter C. Lai wrote: On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: Also, it seems like people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey hardware raid cards for compatibility reasons. There se

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That's faster than just about anything I have at home. So you should be fine. It should be good enough to serve as primary media center storage even (for retrievals, anyway, probably a tad bit slow for live transcoding). Also does anybody know if benching dd if=/dev/zero onto a zfs volume that h

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, February 9, 2010 10:16 am, Tom Evans wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> >> On Tue, February 9, 2010 9:09 am, Tom Evans wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >>> One thing to point out about using a PM like this: you won't get >>> fant

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On 2010-02-09 06:37:47AM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > Charles Sprickman wrote: >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Dan Langille wrote: > > Also, it seems like >> people who use zfs (or gmirror + gstripe) generally end up buying pricey >> hardware raid cards for compatibility reasons. There seem to be no decen

Re: hardware for home use large storage

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Tue, February 9, 2010 9:09 am, Tom Evans wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> One thing to point out about using a PM like this: you won't get >> fantastic bandwidth out of it. For my needs (home storage server

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