On 2021-04-14 19:28, Andy Farkas wrote:
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
- replace DNS lookups with DoH an
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
- replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS
Cy Schubert writes:
> In message om>
> , Ed Maste writes:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had originally planned to try to do thi
On 4/10/21 2:58 AM, Scott Bennett via freebsd-stable wrote:
[...]I would like
something far smaller, namely, a choice of schedulers during/just
after installation of a -RELEASE without having to a) download the
entire source tree, b) make buildworld, and c) make buildkernel.
[...]
+1 many times
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:32:12 +0900 aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>It makes me think that there should be an offering for two completely
>different audiences:
>(1) FreeBSD core (a very minimal offering for folks that want to build things,
>like a Desktop, etc.)
>(2) FreeBSD server (an offerin
It makes me think that there should be an offering for two completely different
audiences:
(1) FreeBSD core (a very minimal offering for folks that want to build things,
like a Desktop, etc.)
(2) FreeBSD server (an offering for folks that want a server build)
Perhaps that idea is just unreasonab
On 2021-04-07 23:27, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I think folks have different definitions of what an operating system should
be.
Agreed.
An Operating System (OS) is an interface between a computer user and
computer
hardware. An operating system is a software which performs all the basic
tas
I think folks have different definitions of what an operating system should be.
An Operating System (OS) is an interface between a computer user and computer
hardware. An operating system is a software which performs all the basic tasks
like file management, memory management, process management
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 6:18 AM tech-lists wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 07:44:59AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> >I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
> >
> >- remove ftp(1)
> >- remove ftpd(8)
> >- remove telnet(1)
> >- remov
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:25 PM Chris wrote:
> On 2021-04-03 13:45, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
> >
> >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> >> (https://reviews.freebsd.or
On 2021-04-05 13:43, Ed Maste wrote:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I posted this as a proposal
On 2021-04-05 12:01, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hi all,
Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
fro
On 2021-04-05 11:27, Roger Leigh wrote:
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to th
On 2021-04-05 07:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
In message
, Ed Maste writes:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned to try to do this
Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 07:44:59AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and w
On 4/6/21 5:32 PM, Kevin P. Neal wrote:
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 09:19:27AM +0100, Gerald de la Pascua wrote:
"Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or
“scp”)? Both provide a similar function, securely, which also works with a
I just tried to sftp to ftp.freebsd.
On 2021-04-04 12:10, Ian Lepore wrote:
On Sat, 2021-04-03 at 16:39 -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planne
On 2021-04-03 13:45, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned
06.04.2021 15:37, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea, especially for
> FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer
> as a workstation/desktop instead of as a server. I think the argument
> becomes, "who is our target au
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea,
especially for FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer as a
workstation/desktop instead of as a server. I think the argument becomes,
"who is our target audience?" If
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 5:21 AM Andrea Brancatelli via freebsd-stable <
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 2021-04-05 02:05, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
>
> > My vote is for no.
> >
> > Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously
> moving stuff from base to
Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea, especially for
FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer as a workstation/desktop instead of
as a server. I think the argument becomes, "who is our target audience?" If the
target audience is both server and desktop u
Am 06.04.2021 um 12:08 schrieb Helge Oldach :
>
> Stefan Bethke wrote on Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:29:34 +0200 (CEST):
>> Strato did disable FTP access over a year ago,
>
> Actually it was effective October 20, 2020.
You are correct; I was remembering the announcement, not the switch off.
> and instr
On 06/04/2021 11:29, Stefan Bethke wrote:
Am 05.04.2021 um 21:01 schrieb Patrick M. Hausen :
But still even on "the Internet", FTP is the most used method for customers
of static website hosting. You cannot teach these people what an SSH key is.
Just my experience, but backed by a load of custo
05.04.2021 19:57, Alan Somers write:
> I wouldn't say that anything is "very good" when it has no test suite
> whatsoever.
Many years of employment of ftpd in different environments (sometimes under
heavy load) means something, too.
Maybe even more than synthetic tests.
___
On 2021-04-05 02:05, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
> My vote is for no.
>
> Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
> stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. 😉
I strongly agree with this consideration.
---
Andrea Brancate
06.04.2021 1:27, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>>> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it
Am 05.04.2021 um 21:01 schrieb Patrick M. Hausen :
>
> But still even on "the Internet", FTP is the most used method for customers
> of static website hosting. You cannot teach these people what an SSH key is.
> Just my experience, but backed by a load of customer interactions over more
> than 20
+1 again from me too, keep it,
It seems a pointless change of something that it seems a reasonable number
of people are still using, even if there are better tools now,
G
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:16 PM Ted Hatfield wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >> Am
"Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or
“scp”)? Both provide a similar function, securely, which also works with a
basic installation without any ports. SSHFXP, the protocol underlying sftp
is better specified, less ambiguous and more fault tolerant and safe than
t
Speaking for myself, like some others here, I would find the removal of
ftp inconvenient, and if it is removed,
please could we have it in an easy to install and configure port.
We have a number of apps that transfer data, and legacy issues mean that
it's hard to transfer to another protocol.
I
On 4/5/21 8:27 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or “scp”)?
Because it's an *incompatible* replacement.
While I never enabled ftpd, I was once asked to.
I refused and enabled sftp instead: the problem was that for 99% of the
customers
Don't forget that Telnet is an actual protocol, which telnet(1)
implements. nc is (for the most part) just a byte-copying middleman.
There's still gear out there that speaks Telnet, and expects the
client to support it (primarily for things like line mode editing).
--lyndon
_
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. 😉
I follow this argumentation.
I do not understand what is the problem
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I posted this as a proposal for community feedback, and there
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
> from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via MacPorts.
Yep, and what I think many miss IRT to the stock ftpd is that it’s dumb simple
and “just wo
Hi,
> On 5 Apr 2021, at 20:01, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
>> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
>
> A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
+1 (later still)
> I absolutely freaked out when
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hi all,
Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
from
Hi all,
> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via Ma
than
mine.
jim
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Behalf Of Roger Leigh
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:27 AM
To: freebsd-stable stable
Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Mas
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had original
On 4/5/21 5:28 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
- replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS
traffic?
Because I trust my (European) ISP significantly more than I trust big
US companies? Yes, I have a pretty good idea what Cloudflare, Google
etc have said about the queri
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 06:57:31PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
> On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> > - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
> > use https://.
> Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server
> file manag
In message
, Alan Somers writes:
> --bb4fba05bf3ae99f
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert
> wrote:
>
> > In message
> > > om>
> > , Ed Maste writes:
> > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > >
Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable writes:
> It is time to deprecate ftp altogether, and any other protocols that =
> embed protocol information in layer 7, thus hurting any #IPv6 migration =
> and deployment technology (SIIT-DC e.g).
> ftp, a protocol not using TLS protection [...]
You seem
On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server
file management with https ;-)
I know letters "WebDAV", but I don't know any ftp-like c
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
>> off my list. FTP is not nearly
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert
wrote:
> In message
> om>
> , Ed Maste writes:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had o
In message
, Ed Maste writes:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
> off
W dniu 05.04.2021 o 14:10, Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable pisze:
>
>
>> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notic
On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 10:29 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> On 05.04.2021 06:25, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>
> > Eugene mentioned the convenience of ftpd in the same sentence as ipsec.
> > I'm willing to bet those systems have ports installed too.
>
> Ports/packages are great but they are not replacem
> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but
On 05.04.2021 06:25, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
> Eugene mentioned the convenience of ftpd in the same sentence as ipsec.
> I'm willing to bet those systems have ports installed too.
Ports/packages are great but they are not replacement for solid operating system
with bundled software tested and pro
On Sun., Apr. 4, 2021, 5:04 p.m. Rick Macklem, wrote:
>
> I wonder what others find convenient when moving files to/from
> Windows?
>
SCP works beautifully for transferring files to/from Windows stations.
Haven't needed FTP support for about a decade now at $WORK and at home. SSH
has quickly bec
> On Apr 4, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable
> wrote:
>
> My vote is for no.
>
> Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
> stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. 😉
That’s a +1 here, both for the “keep it” and for
My vote is also for no.
I still use it on most of my systems. Easy to configure easy to use.
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously
moving stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. 😉
On 4/3/2021 4:39 PM, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and open
Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> > I had originally planned to try
> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but i
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 08:40, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but
> On 5 Apr 2021, at 00:22, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote:
>
> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the ma
On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
off my
I'm actually in shock that you would propose such a thing!
Many wysiwyg web builders still use ftp as their publishing mechanism. I'd
bet that most freebsd servers out there have ftpd enabled, but of course
that's just my opinion. I really wish it would do secure ftp, but that's
another discussi
On Sat, 2021-04-03 at 16:39 -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, b
W dniu 03.04.2021 o 23:30, Rick Macklem pisze:
> Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>>
>>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man
Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had originally planned to try to do this be
04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
> o
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
off my list. FTP is not nearly as relevant no
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