Re: A quality operating system

On 9/6/2011 10:44 AM, Michael Doyle wrote: > Lots of other people have given good answers. I'm just chiming in on > points 3 and 7 > > On 20 Aug 2011, at 05:47, Evan Busch wrote: > >> "What is a quality operating system?" > > I work as a database devel

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Lots of other people have given good answers. I'm just chiming in on points 3 and 7 On 20 Aug 2011, at 05:47, Evan Busch wrote: "What is a quality operating system?" I work as a database developer in an SME. I support end users on Mac OSX and Windows XP .. Windows Vist

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Hi, Reference: > From: Allen > Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 05:17:51 -0400 > Message-id: <4e61f0bf.9030...@comcast.net> Allen wrote: > Maybe I can play Diplomat here, considering that I use both BSD and ..^ > Linux and Windows, and I won't pretend to care ab

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On 03/09/2011 10:17, Allen wrote: > Try that on any version of BSD before PC-BSD came around. I get that a > lot of BSD people are programmers and like looking at source code, but > personally, not being a coder, I don't CARE what flags something uses However, I, as a systems administrator tha

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Maybe I can play Diplomat here, considering that I use both BSD and Linux and Windows, and I won't pretend to care about any of your feelings and just be Honest: On 8/20/2011 2:09 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > >> 3) Updates are a mess. It'

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http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why Sorry, it's looks roughly applicable here. I'm guilty too, but I don't want/use binary upgrades. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/A-quality-operating-system-tp4717703p4765099.html Sent from the fr

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:21:06PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > > What do you mean? All you need is some random link to a random survey URL. > The fact that the survey doesn't mention anything about the product in > question, the type of issue addressed, what type of response he was given, > o

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--As of August 28, 2011 9:10:34 AM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:04:28PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011: > > I've decided to provide the "professional" response "Evan" claims to > crave: > > Dear Evan, > >

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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:04:28PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011: > > > > I've decided to provide the "professional" response "Evan" claims to > > crave: > > > > Dear Evan, > > > > We appreciate your feedback on the quality, scope, and focus of

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Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 05:09:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > > > > > > I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated > > > professionally -- only here. > > > > But the claims

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 05:09:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > > > > I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated > > professionally -- only here. > > But the claims HAVEN'T been stated professionally. You didn't bring > _one_

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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > I can see this will be important here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > But allow me to say > > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > > way, you sho

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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:48:45PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: > > So, to exhaust everything I have to say on this subject, I will try to > translate the best I can, two popular sayings here in my country. I > hope I can make their meaning get through. I think both translations carried quite a lot

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On Saturday 27 August 2011 16:58:06 Frank Shute wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: [Snip..] > > > > If so, it's just them trying to cover up the inherently defensive and > > reactionary nature of their comments. > > They're inherently defensive and reactionary

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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > I can see this will be important here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal clue of > > what you're d

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On 27/08/2011 20:58, Frank Shute wrote: Where's the documentation for Windows Explorer for Vista on microsoft.com? A link will do. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/help/using ? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

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> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Aug 27 13:58:08 2011 > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500 > From: Evan Busch > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Subject: Re: A quality operating system > > I can see this will be important here: &

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On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > > I can see this will be important here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > But allow me to say > > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > > way,

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Quoth Evan Busch on Saturday, 27 August 2011: > > > In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal > > clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply > > have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use > > the documentation. > > See the Wikipedia page above -- the

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I can see this will be important here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon wrote: > But allow me to say > that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_ > way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_ > points you're criticiz

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On Thursday 25 August 2011 01:39:54 Polytropon wrote: > > Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to > > your house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you > > helped in preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well > > prepared and nutriti

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On 08/25/2011 07:39 AM, Polytropon wrote: > [...] and you have to get all the strange concepts in line, beginning with "drive letters" and ending in reboots after few changes.:-) The FreeBSD documentation even keeps that in mind: It mentions the "Windows" terms for things just in case some reade

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:24:51 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: > Well, I think the handbook has got its name wrong. To me, it should have been > called handybook. What you're saying sounds more like you wanted the handbook > to be a usage tutorial, which it's NOT what it is supposed to be. That's a valid

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Hi Evan; Please allow me some comments. On Wednesday 24 August 2011 23:02:18 Evan Busch wrote: > I didn't expect this much response. That's a bit naive and shows how much you don't know this list. > Some interesting stuff: Here, this is mostly the case. Even the trolls are so. > On Sat, Aug

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:48:46 -0400, Henry Olyer wrote: > Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and > also the OS. And even if the OS is perfect, its 3rd party applications may be not. > But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as > non-

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Baloney. Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and also the OS. But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as non-secure as windoz!,) FreeBSD and OpenBSD standout for one reason, their better. I would like to see negotiate a deal to give u

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:02:18 -0500, Evan Busch wrote: > I didn't expect this much response. You always get what you deserve on this list. :-) No, seriously: There are participants of this list who understand complains and other statements in a critical tone as inspiration for improvement. But all

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tten wrote: > Well  This should spawn some interesting responses.  I shall sit back and > enjoy > > - Original Message ----- > From: Evan Busch [mailto:antiequal...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:47 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject

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On 08/23/11 10:24, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would sto

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Allow me some short :-) comments. On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:18:50 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Disagree. I've worked with FreeBSD since 6.2 and it's only been > getting better and better. FreeBSD is getting faster and better whilst > Linux really seems to have drifted from direction like you say.

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart > between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some > reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would > stop existing... serious users o

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote: >> if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason >> FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be >> your next OS? > > If the FreeBSD project disbanded

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On 21/08/2011 03:47, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello. I insist Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? Thanks Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsub

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On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote: > if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason > FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be > your next OS? If the FreeBSD project disbanded (for some unimaginable reason), then I guess I'd have to choose a

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serious person to troll-like in several parts of your post. Maybe it's because you are stating the biased opinions of someone else, or simply because it's just a collection of unfounded rants you collected from a frustrated development team? > In addition, huge portions of it break o

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. > > ;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=) > > > No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points , at > least better that FreeBSD. > > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. > > ;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=) > > > No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points > , at least better that FreeBSD. > > Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart > be

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On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > >> --As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have >> said: >> >> I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? >>> >> >> --As for the re

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have > said: > > I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? >> > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel wit

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 05:12:19PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > "Duane" == Duane Hill writes: > > Duane> Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: > >> Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, > >> Dave Pooser a écrit : > > >>> An honest question here-- how many people run production

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Hello. ;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=) No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points , at least better that FreeBSD. Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some reason, I know i

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--As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have said: I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true? --As for the rest, it is mine. Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel with some FreeBSD-derived userland and interfaces, then adds a proprie

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On Saturday 20 August 2011 19:47:07 Fish Kungfu wrote: > Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a > rock at a hornets nest. > You bet! The OP (and Rob) were probably just bored, but Vadim Goncharov was definetly NOT! (Thanks Test Rat!)

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-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Olivares Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:06 PM To: Evan Busch Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A quality operating system > All of this adds

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I use FreeBSD 9, 8.2 and 8.1. OS X 10.7 (Lion) Windows 7 Professional (64-bit), Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) and Windows XP Professional (32-bit). iOS 4, Blackberry 6 and Android 2.2.2. Oh, you weren't asking me. Sorry. :-p On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: > Hello. > > I

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Hello. I insist Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ? Thanks Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-question

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> All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does > not translate into quality in reality. > > You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your > mess, then sneer at them. > > You alienate business, professional and artistic users w

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> "Duane" == Duane Hill writes: Duane> Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: >> Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, >> Dave Pooser a écrit : >>> An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on >>> RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8

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Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote: > Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, > Dave Pooser a écrit : >> An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on >> RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 >> and then 8.2. > Me! Because "if it works,

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Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500, Dave Pooser a écrit : > An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on > RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 > and then 8.2. Me! Because "if it works, don't break it.". _

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Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a rock at a hornets nest. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > > > On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: > > > > >Are you lazy, or stupid?

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On 8/20/11 4:38 PM, "Adam Vande More" wrote: >freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom >kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the >kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming >you're on RELEASE or some BETA. A

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: > > >Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update > > You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the > message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support a

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On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, "Michael Sierchio" wrote: >Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support as a FreeBSD advantage, I would have to be using a custom kernel

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Polytropon wrote: > That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used > for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or > even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel. > In such cases, updating from source is inteded, as

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:45 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 > Michael Sierchio articulated: > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > > wrote: > > > > > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, > > > but that I *have* to is ridicul

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--As of August 20, 2011 4:22:45 PM -0400, Jerry is alleged to have said: I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom kernel. From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the custom kernel

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > wrote: > > > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, > > but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be > > more difficult than "yum

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--As of August 20, 2011 12:12:00 PM -0500, Dave Pooser is alleged to have said: 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. --As for the rest, it is mine.

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12:00PM -0500, Dave Pooser wrote: > > 1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's great that a > volunteer team put it together, but when I compare it to > or >

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+10 I really like ppl thinking, that someone will create/develop/maitain an OS just for them. There are hundreds of chocices: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, + forks, Windoze, hundreds (and growing) of different linux distros, Solaris, Minix, vxworks, even MSDOS :) Feel free to choose. If there will be

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ion that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. There's more: To me as a sysadmin and developer, documentation is also a quality indicator.

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e a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > depa

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a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. This is why I like FreeBSD, relative to MS Windows, Apple MacOS, or any Linux distributi

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser wrote: > 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but > that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more > difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update _

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My comments inline. Summary: utter rubbish. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Evan Busch wrote: > (1) Lack of direction. > > FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS. Not at all the case. FreeBSD is a server OS. Desktop features get considerably less support. Muc

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ot; is putting it mildly. > I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and > security. > > He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" In a word, FreeBSD. > In his view, and now mine, a quality operat

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On 8/20/11 1:49 AM, "Test Rat" wrote: >There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this. > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html Thanks for posting that link; it covered some of the reasons I'm retiring my office FreeBSD servers in favor of Solaris and Linu

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> He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > One that works reliably - like FreeBSD. I hope it is confy under that bridge. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http:

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told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: "What is a quality operating system?" In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, streamlined and clearly organized. Over the past fe

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Happy Trolling :-) /Hasse -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] På vegne af Evan Busch Sendt: den 20 augusti 2011 06:47 Til: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: A quality operating system Hi, I make decisions about

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He asked me a question that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in

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Perhaps you would be happier at an Apple Store. I lost you at documentation. Obviously you have not read the handbook, or one of the excellent books -- Absolute BSD for example. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/openslate Twitter @openslate

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stion that stopped me dead: > > "What is a quality operating system?" > > > In his view, and now mine, a quality operating system is reliable, > streamlined and clearly organized. > > Over the past few years, FreeBSD has drifted off-course in this > department,

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Evan Busch writes: [...] > Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the > thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily > written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user. > This is not necessary frustration, and they get nothi

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Well This should spawn some interesting responses. I shall sit back and enjoy - Original Message - From: Evan Busch [mailto:antiequal...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:47 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: A quality operating system Hi, I make

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y all types of UNIX (dating back quite some time) but also all Unix-like OSen. I told him I was considering FreeBSD because of greater stability and security. He asked me a question that stopped me dead: "What is a quality operating system?" In his view, and now mine, a quality oper