Maybe I can play Diplomat here, considering that I use both BSD and Linux and Windows, and I won't pretend to care about any of your feelings and just be Honest:
On 8/20/2011 2:09 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser > <dave-free...@pooserville.com> wrote: > >> 3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but >> that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more >> difficult than "yum update" -- full stop. > > Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update OK, I too use freebsd-update to update my base system, but, other than the port manager tools, I've PERSONALLY watched "portupgrade -aF" basically break a system. I saw one person say "Well you can't upgrade one version of Red Hat to another" but really, who here actually cares about Red Hat? I came from SUSE and Slackware, both of which have had very well thought out upgrades for a while. (Slackware didn't for a while, but apparently slackpkg does this now) but SUSE was always easy to upgrade. I think one thing I can personally agree with when it comes to what was said, is the whole thing about patching; Why isn't there yet a tool that will simply grab ALL security patches? I mean Debian can do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and then grab everything from the Kernel's patches to xmms patches, install them, and I'm done. Try that on any version of BSD before PC-BSD came around. I get that a lot of BSD people are programmers and like looking at source code, but personally, not being a coder, I don't CARE what flags something uses.... I think if FreeBSD had an all purpose patching tool, it would be a lot better. I mean sure, you use freebsd-update and it updates the base system, but anything you use on the machine is usually a port of some sort, and doing those.... When I first started using FreeBSD, I was looking at how to install patches for security, and I was like WTF I have to do what? I'm not quite sure why no one has ever made a tool that grabs all security patches and installs them for you, but they should. It would be REALLY nice if FreeBSD had freebsd-update that worked on ports too, because the process of updating those, it IS a little much. I've been using FreeBSD since 4.0 and to be 100% Honest, I've never once managed to actually upgrade a system. And that's while sitting with the FreeBSD.org Docs sitting open on another machine going down the list of what I was supposed to do. It was time consuming, and compiling things.... Again, not a programmer. The guy who said updating should be no more than "yum update" had a point. I get why ports are separated and all that, but why not compromise and have a way to install security patches on both at the same time? I recently installed PC-BSD on my Laptop, and the fact that it grabs patches for me and installs them, more than proves it could be added over to FreeBSD. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
