On Jan 13Jan 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Mark Bergsma wrote:
> Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in
> Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman
> will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way.
>
> Durin
On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Mark Bergsma wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server (lily) in
> Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data center. Mailman
> will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way.
...and rig
know of any new issues, in bugzilla or on IRC (#wikimedia-tech).
We don't expect any problems, but as with any software upgrade or migration,
this can't be guaranteed...
Thanks,
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Lead Operations Architect
Wikim
the
money-trough, is also a bit unseemly, and doesn't seem to have much to
do with "community" to me, unless you take a very bureaucratic view of
community.
-Mark
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ating new articles on individual churches that cite that book (the
most common road-bump here is that their articles may get tagged as
orphans).
One possibility could be to rotate subject-specific "how to get started"
appeals. Something like: "Interested in architecture? [Pithy
27;s how things go, and it *does* at least still keep the
lights on at *.wikipedia.org, which is what I care about.
-Mark
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32441 Year filtering on
Special:FundraiserStatistics broken
* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32536 CentralNotice API
Bring your javascript and PHP chops and I'll see you there!
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and how the
legislation would do so.
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want to put it
back up themselves, perhaps informally agree to have the Wikimedia
Foundation restore it without opposing that move. Imo that would be the
best action. I don't think it would be helpful to intervene in a
heavy-handed manner (certainly no mass-desysopping of an entire
literature. Many languages have
no literary tradition, and the only written material is linguistic
studies by outsiders.
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We'll be holding a public IRC bug triage in about 2-3 minutes on
#wikimedia-dev for all who are interested. We will be using
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-2011-06 to keep notes as well.
See you there!
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storing the
backups on tape, remote servers, or magic pixie dust.
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c. would be a
significant mission-creep away from things we're actually good at. (All
"imo", of course.)
-Mark
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usion and the interlanguage extension
> are on Mark Hershberger's, the Bugmesiter, to-do list. He's the one
> who bothers the sysadmins to get things done. :-)
>
> I've CC'd him so he can hopefully chime in.
Thanks, Casey. Finally subscribed.
I'm trying to find w
Peter, resorting to ad hominem does nothing to prove your point. It
only makes people less likely to listen to what you have to say.
-m.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Peter Damian
wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> I can read a book on the History of the Fourth Crusade, and adds quotes
Standard Australian English is very easy to understand for me as a
North American speaker of English, especially when written because
that eliminates the potential problem of different accents. Standard
Jamaican English is easy to understand, perhaps you are thinking of
Jamaican Creole, which is of
"desirable" is an own decision of the speaker.
-m.
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
> On 19.09.2010 13:01, Marcus Buck wrote:
>> An'n 19.09.2010 11:32, hett Mark Williamson schreven:
>>> We have heard this type of criticism befo
We have heard this type of criticism before, that lower-prestige
varieties or languages that are not "official" or "national" languages
are somehow intrinsically incapable or unsuited to encyclopedic
writing. Article quality on a Wiki is not high or low due to some
intrinsic characteristic or trait
Thank you to everybody who had a part in bringing about this increased
transparency. It is a breath of fresh air for me and hopefully for
everybody else who follows language-related developments on Wikimedia.
-m.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> As Karen fixed her anonymity
I hope nobody gets the impression that I'm just an American sniping at
Europeans. I wouldn't be much happier if it was half Americans and
half Europeans, or even all Americans. The majority of the world's
non-endangered languages are spoken in Asia and Africa, so on a
committee that deals with lang
Two of the biggest remaining problems (of which there are, naturally,
many many many others):
1) Transparency. Maybe some experts fear retaliation - okay, use
pseudonyms or contribute anonymously. Just have someone summarize your
opinion for public archives. Does Gerard fear retaliation? From whom
Take a look at some of the new football-related articles on the Ewe
Wikipedia. I don't think this is cause for celebration at all:
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Beckham
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naohiro_Takahara
http://ee.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruud_van_Nistelrooy
I don't see a single word of
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
> Erm ... huh?
>
> 1) If you're interested in helping, and have experience/knowledge of
> languages, then get involved with the committee.
I have wanted to be part of the committee since before its inception,
but back then I felt I would proba
I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
"experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
judgements about the rest of the world's
Interesting to note the geographic distribution of members of the
committee... hmm...
-m.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Our new member is Huib Laurens (meta:User:Huib). His main role is to
> help us in keeping up to date archives of our mailing list [1] and
> other techn
iency.
-m.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> > You won't find many professional
>> translators using GTTK for their work.
>>
>> [citation needed]
>
> Professional translators and transla
> You won't find many professional translators using GTTK for their work.
[citation needed]
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> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>
>> > 2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK
>> before
>> > posting of the articles.
>> >
>> > There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's no
> 2) Implement spelling and punctuation check automatically within GTTK before
> posting of the articles.
>
> There is spell check in Translator Toolkit, although it's not available for
> all languages. We don't have any punctuation checks today and I doubt that
> we can release this anytime soon.
od articles in our
> languages, that often means that we do not translate 1:1 but shorten
> and customize. But Google wants 1:1 translations for its Translation
> memory. And, of course, its the big numbers Google is interested in to
> achieve better automatic translations in the end.
&g
I'm not sure that's exactly the question. Rather, by using GTTK,
people are contributing to building [[Translation memory]] for Google,
which they can in turn use to build their statistical models. It's not
that we're using non-free software, but rather that we're contributing
to it.
-m.
On Wed,
n Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> Mark Williamson:
>> GTTK can be used as a force of good if someone puts in the appropriate
>> time and effort; when used _properly_ by a careful, knowledgeable
>
>> It is my thought that the huge problem here is lack
rs are supposed to love reading them, but
> it looks like i'm stuck here...
>
> 2010/7/27 Mark Williamson
>
>> Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
>> not Google Translate. If the person using the Toolkit uses it as it
>> was _meant
or your target language, but not for mine. Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Casey Brown wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>>> Aphaia, Shiju Alex and I are referring to Google Translator Toolkit,
>>> not Google Translate.
Ziko, again, we are not talking about machine translations; Google
doesn't have machine translation for Bangla, Malayalam, Tamil etc.
yet. This is about translation memory.
One of the things about MAT, whose use in the professional translator
community is still debated but most popular for transla
years ago - but craps are
> still craps and I don't want to spend my hours for the for-profit
> giant.
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex
>> wrote:
>>> 1. Ban the project of Google as d
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Shiju Alex wrote:
> 1. Ban the project of Google as done by the Bengali wiki community (Bad
> solution, and I am personally against this solution)
> 2. Ask Google to engage wiki community (As happened in the case of Tamil)
> to find out a working solution.
criticism of 'imperial encyclopedism.' - really? It's a) not
>> particularly well-written, mostly and b) referenced overwhelmingly to
>> English-language sources, most of which are, you guessed it.. Western in
>> nature.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 26, 20
Well - this seems a bit confusing. I think Shiju Alex was talking
about the toolkit, but I got the impression you're referring to Google
Translate, which I agree is always unsuitable to produce usable
articles.
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Przykuta wrote:
> about google translation, I th
Can we clarify here, are we talking about Google Translate or Google
Translator Toolkit?
-m.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Przykuta wrote:
>> I've seen several requests, both on meta and on language projects, to
>> delete this kind of bad quality "translation" which people think
>> better to
lish
> Western language Wikipedia some amount of translations (1/3 IIRC) are
> not related to English.
>
> If you think it works for you, it's fine, but please be aware it might
> not work for non-English speakers as well as for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 20
Aphaia, a great deal of confusion has been created with regards to
this project. I hope you'll allow me to attempt to clear it up.
These are NOT articles that were translated directly by Google
Translate. Rather, they were created using Google Translator Toolkit,
which requires human intervention
Two things:
1) Please define "junk articles". Do you mean articles that you think
nobody in your community wants to read (like, say, an article about an
American singer or actor, for example [[Lady Gaga]]), or do you mean
articles that are written in such a way as to be incomprehensible, or
are fi
I would like to add to this that I think the worst part of this idea
is the assumption that other languages should take articles from
en.wp.
I would be in favor of an international, language-free Wikipedia
if/when perfect (or 99.99% accurate) MT software exists, but that is
not currently the case.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
>
> I'm surprised to hear that coming from someone who I thought to be a
> student of
Bence, that's a different topic - MAT (Machine Aided Translation), and
in the case of Bengali, I believe simply the use of a translation
memory system. Some of the comments on that page seem to be quite
misinformed, ranging from people who thought Google was inserting
unrevised machine translations
Wikipedias are not for _cultures_, they are for languages. If I and
1,000 other Americans suddenly learnt French (to the point of
native-level fluency) and decided to read and edit the French
Wikipedia, it would "belong" to us just as much as to anybody else.
This came up recently in the debate abo
e
rules, some of our pages may break those rules, but all that means is
they should be fixed so the rules are applied more consistently.
-m
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wrote:
> Mark Williamson wrote:
>> "Wiki-list", the huge glaring difference is that the goatse.cx image
Don't censor except when "you" do? That's one of the problems with
this thread, it seems everything's been made personal. I don't censor
anything. I was not involved in the debate about deleting the goatse
image, nor have I been much involved in the Muhammad debate, but I am
a firm believer in non-
article.
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:01 AM, wrote:
> Excirial wrote:
>> *There is no general Christian prohibition on depicting Christ. In fact it
>> is a generally accepted practice. Generally Muslims don't, and consider it a
>> mark of disrespect to do so. Why offend?
rticle
> does not actually show the goatse image.
>
>
>
> Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Have you seen [[Piss Christ]]? How is that different?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:40 AM, wrote:
>>> John Vandenberg wrote:
>>>> in the article ab
Have you seen [[Piss Christ]]? How is that different?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:40 AM, wrote:
> John Vandenberg wrote:
>> in the article about Jesus.
>>
>> If you haven't noticed, the images of Muhammad on the core articles
>> relating to Islam are not created by someone who had a bit too much
I was raised areligious and I see a clear difference there. On the one
hand, you're talking about portraying a religious figure on a sex toy;
on the other hand you're just talking about portraying a religious
figure. Just on the grounds of being offensive, I don't think either
should be excluded fr
+1. While I think there are many good arguments against inclusion of
images of Muhammad in Wikipedia, the "false" or "unreliable" does not
seem to be such an argument. We have plenty of images of Jesus and
lots of other famous people of whom we have no photographic or
_primary_ artistic sources...
Because I felt like it? I understand this may be a disturbing issue
for some, but that seemed unnecessarily hostile.
-m
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Andre, I personally don't have a problem
Andre, I personally don't have a problem with the mere existence of
the template. I have a huge problem with it appearing at the top of
the mainpage of a Wikipedia.
-m
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On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
I agree... or your think to ideas.
skype: node.ue
2010/7/5 MZMcBride :
> 基建吉 wrote:
>> ΣXD＜Nice idea for disscuss saved.And user block framing Jadge.
>> '''[NEW!!]The rule of seven elevens.'''(or eleven seven)
>> Discuttion to seven article writed one disscuss.
>> One day to max 11 disscuss.(one
Gerard,
I'm not sure such a condescending tone helps anybody. Also, I'm not
sure you've understood the intent of Martin's post. I'm under the
impression he'd only like to put off implementation of Vector in his
community until some problems get worked out, not permanently.
Besides, I think the que
Amir,
I think this is a good idea. For the sake of consistency, we should
choose a single standard to follow rather than a hodge-podge of newer
standards, older (although still valid) standards, and ad hoc codes we
made up on the spot (als, nrm) and custom codes (bat-smg, roa-tara,
roa-rup, fiu-vr
n 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
>> when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
>> children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
>>
Phoebe, in my humble opinion, this project is a bit different. I think
when we are talking about child development and creating a project for
children, there's no room to screw around or create some amateurish
product. This is something that, if done wrong, could potentially have
a bigger negative
licy "one language - one
>> Wikipedia"
>> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
>> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 6:06 PM
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:26 AM,
>> Mark Williamson
>> wrote:
>> > as if we were dumb. I have heard (
were reading the article on [[Earth]] that Ting's quoted and did
not understand what "terrestrial planet" meant... well, there's a link
right there to help me out. Again, young != stupid.
-m.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> Miloš,
>
> I am i
Miloš,
I am inclined to agree with you. As someone who is not so far removed
from his own adolescence, I can attest that I've always found
"Children's writing" to be incredibly condescending and even
demeaning. Perhaps I was not a typical child, but ever since about 7
years of age I really hated t
>> If we consider
>> that current English native speakers mostly already have internet and those
>> without internet are likelier than not to be non-English speakers I would
>> be
>> careful to advocate the unilateral use of English.
>
>
> As would I, though I don't think you mean what you said.
W
In addition, I have a feeling that article overstates the English
abilities of the average non-native internet user. Yes, lots of people
have a very (very!) basic command of English, but that is not the same
as functional bilingualism. A user may happen to know the name for a
horse, but what are th
I'm very disappointed that this discussion has continued at the
expense of one that I find to be much more important to our projects.
Can all of us go back over there and stop talking about this? Kthx.
m.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote:
> kthx
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at
the English wiki articles about all the american
> pop stars (For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga). Now the
> issue is, we don't have such list to give to Google/Google employees.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>
&g
+1. This would be a SUPER useful tool for all Wikis.
-m.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Shiju Alex wrote:
> Recently I had a discussion with one of my fellow Malayalam wikipedian (
> http://ml.wikipedia.org) about the creation of new articles in small
> wikipedias like ours. He is one the few u
One major problem I have with this entire initiative, at least as I
understand it, is that data was only collected from en.wp and mostly
from native English speakers. Wikipedia is not monolingual, although
many of our users are... and it's important to remember that many of
these people are monolin
> "change it back if people complain loudly". It means someone who
> happens to be in charge of making the decision needs to make a
> judgment call, based on all the evidence they have available.
Aryeh, I was under the (apparently mistaken?) impression that at
Wikipedia, the community makes the d
+1. I must admit I have been a bit surprised/shocked/irritated by the
tone of the comments from some of those involved with the usability
initiative. I always thought that Wikimedia valued community
decision-making, but now I'm being told that my "feedback" is greatly
appreciated and will be taken
> Or you could simply restore the one-line code modification that
> provided the default behavior requested by the community (pending
> evidence that an alternative setup is beneficial).
Seconded. Just bring them back already. This is an imaginary problem
you've come up with here. The community is
That's not good enough. First of all, people who don't speak a
language won't recognize the text "see other languages", or even
"languages". Could you pick the word "ენები" out of a page full of
text in a foreign language and understand that clicking it would lead
you to a link to the English versi
at
rather than any of the other words on the page that to you probably
appear little more than gibberish? (assuming you don't read Georgian -
if I'm wrong, substitute it for any language that you don't know)
Mark
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Aryeh Gregor
wrote:
> On Wed, Jun
ry time. This new "feature" is potentially extremely harmful to
many non-English Wikipedias.
Mark
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
wrote:
> I have a few questions about the deployment of Vector in Wikipedias in
> other languages.
>
> 1. When does the Foundation p
loyees. Everyone else, no matter what on-site title they have, is
simply a user of the site.
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effectively scuttled any
real progress on reducing the amount of non-educational sexual
material on Commons. If similar incidents elsewhere are anything to
go by, it'll be two to three years before serious discussion of the
subject will be possible.
--
Mark
[[User:Carnildo]]
__
ion that he can in fact
do whatever he likes. He cannot. When he created the Foundation and
later stepped down as Chair of the Board, he effectively gave up the
right to intervene on his own whim. I think the right thing for him to
do now would be to voluntarily turn off the founder flag, and
partici
x27;s a whack across the head with a spiked club, by someone who
doesn't have good aim.
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I think there are two options: Meta and pt.wp itself. My personal opinion is
that it does not need to be bilingual, but that is of course up to you.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote:
> Thanks Chad. I know that, but what kind of page (what title)? Where?
> Would it be
skype: node.ue
-- Forwarded message --
From: Manuel Coutinho
Date: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Subject: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia
To: node...@gmail.com
Dear Node,
It has come to my attention quite some time ago that the Portuguese version
of wikipedia is being overrun with arti
compared
to any other in Kenya, but it is quite a bit more surprising that Korean,
Romanian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Iranian, etc. users prefer the English
Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> Dear Erik,
>
> Maybe there is a dirty Polish word looked u
29.2%
> Brazil 8.5%
> Argentina 4.8%
> Mexico 3.9%
> Germany 3.3%
> France 2.1%
> Venezuela 1.9%
> Chile 1.4%
> Costa Rica 1.4%
> Italy 1.4%
> Uruguay 1.2%
> Colombia1.2%
> Portugal1.1%
>
> ---
a does not
mean that the Arabic Wikipedia is of poor quality, it just means that users
feel that the English Wikipedia is a more reliable or complete resource in
some way.
Mark
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte
> wrote:
&
Ethnologue has numbers for all languages although their information is often
outdated or not 100% accurate, it is sufficient if you're doing a list with
many languages.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Erik Zachte wrote:
> > Today I released 4 new reports, which all fo
ge on Craigslist. I think
the point Geni was trying to make is that it has indeed raised some interest
in Craigslist, rather than just helping WMF.
Mark
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM, William Pietri wrote:
> Interesting! If I read that right, the Craigslist page on Wikipedia got
> an extra 15k p
If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other.
>
>
Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan wrote:
> Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
> absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
> them to
igslist is run with
a staff of 32 and carries no ads, and Craig founded a non-profit
organization, the Craigslist Foundation, to support other non-profits."
seems like it is intended to distract the reader from the truth, which is
that Craigslist is for profit and owned partly by corporations
t would not be there. I
can certainly understand the reasons for keeping it up and I also don't
think this is a terrible situation or anything so I won't argue about this
but I wanted to make it known that Geni isn't the only one of the opinion
that it's not a good thing.
Mark
Half a day? Is that really so bad? I would be worried if there were no posts
for a week. Obviously there isn't as much traffic as before but I would
personally wait longer before sending out e-mails asking why there are no
messages.
Mark
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
.
To be on the Power Poster list is a bad thing for some, but it is not a
shameful thing by itself certainly. If you have a lot of useful things to
say, that's not so bad.
Mark
skype: node.ue
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> If you want statistics, you
There is already a statistics page,
http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Index.html
skype: node.ue
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> In a message dated 11/7/2009 11:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> > Please read it as an appeal to reply to
How do others feel? This is not the first time we've had this discussion.
Some people agree with you, many don't. Also, I don't think anyone is
surprised that you agree.
Mark
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM, wrote:
> >
Might also be interesting to see views/hour/million speakers.
skype: node.ue
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> From Erik Zachte:
>
> http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/09/partipication-level-a-new-metric/
>
> Hmm. Anyone want to change the front page of www.wikipedia.orgaccord
How am I heckling you? I'm just stating the facts. There's no need for
this to turn into a fight.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>
>> People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the ve
People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the venue.
skype: node.ue
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Austin Hair wrote:
>>
>> A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a
>> conversation. Everyone's been in a conversati
r GerardM and 40 for
Greg Maxwell. That 20 post difference between you and GerardM is what
is making people notice you and I think also one of the reasons people
want change on this list.
Mark
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Mark Williamson w
> But please, not on this list. This list is fine as it is.
Says who?
Mark
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