Spotted this because it one of the demonstrated uses was with wikimarkup. How
useful it actually is or is not is a different question.
"Writing documents using markup languages isn't always easy. Take Wikipedia, for
example: one often needs time to relocate the current focus when they switch
betw
ot a wp2 with tidied up and
streamlined "policy" (redesign as a pattern language), integrated
Prod/AFD, deprecated arbcom in favor of DRN, and most importantly:
ensuring new users all get mentors.
Acculturation failure has severely harmed WP1, we need some way to
bring exp
uot;
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-cbc-music-archives
Is this accurate news? If so, can we (eg: commons/wikisource) help?
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out and I am even more passionate about doing it
> right.
Awesome plan!
Minor naming detail:
There's an extension called Wikidata too! O:-)
http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/
I haven't looked at that in a while.
Heh, I wonde
e are the media, and so are you
Jimmy+Kat ++ :-)
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Coulw we start a WikiJournal of some sort? (Akin to WikiNews in
operation, perhaps?)
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(and what it says?)
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rrently la quadrature du net is coordinated best.
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/acta-signed-by-the-eu-lets-defeat-it-together
https://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/How_to_act_against_ACTA
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 08:37:38PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 08:13:59PM -0800, Geoff Brigham wrote:
> > Hi Kim,
> >
> > I will be happy to ask one of our junior attorney interns, Stephen, to do a
> > short 1-2 page summary of ACTA. This
t and excellent support to
> me during the SOPA protest.
Geoff, Hello Stephen! That would be a great start.
There's currently a lot of impetus for action across the world. This analysis
will help guide that. I wonder if it will make the history books? :-)
sincere
s, note that La quadrature du net is taking action, and
has collected all relevant phone numbers and addresses etc:
https://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/How_to_act_against_ACTA#Contact_your_Elected_Representatives
The window for action on ACTA is now very narrow, time is short.
sincerely,
Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa
http://www.politico.com/morningtech/0112/morningtech377.html
Interesting. Any details?
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Stealing procedure from a different well-known venue:
"Without objection, I move that this become policy."
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Oh! Duh. Yes. Definitely keep her around. O:-)
(Congratulations. Keep up the good work! :-)
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(from tor talk at CCC)
The entire video is a fascinating discussion on how censorship works, and how
these guys are working to fight it.
I'm really impressed by what they do and how they think.
As always I wish we could cooperate with tor more.
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it might be a good idea to check how and if the new spanish laws
(will) affect WMF, and what measures need to be taken to stay safe for now.
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Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg. .es :
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law-implemented
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:35:24AM +1100, Tim Starling wrote:
> On 13/12/11 01:36, Teofilo wrote:
> > Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let
> > us have some developers create a tool to find wrong pictures and
> > rotate them back to their original orientation!
>
> W
fs, surely we could smurf something smurfy like this
in the
next deal to smurf along? ;-)
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>
> Further SOPA debate postponed 'till wednesday.
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/jasoninthehouse/status/147819972498948097
The Easiest way to kill SOPA would be to interact with the committee before
Wednesday.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:00:30AM -0800, Jay Walsh wrote:
> Hi folks - I can confirm that this is not an infringement of the WIkipedia
> marks.
Well, bother.
I was so looking forward to an epic tea-party.
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:59:29AM +, B?ria Lima wrote:
> >
> > *it's because smurfs didn't like Wikipedia's article on them.
> They can always edit the article ;) xD
No No, that'd be COI editing. They need to discuss their proposed changes on
the talk pa
Further SOPA debate postponed 'till wednesday.
https://twitter.com/#!/jasoninthehouse/status/147819972498948097
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>
> http://keepthewebopen.com/sopa
(Also we hijacked #wikimedia-office for discussion O:-) )
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:04:36AM +, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2011 3:20 AM, "Kim Bruning" wrote:
> > That, and remember that it is preferable to stage a protest BEFORE
> passage of
> > the bill. :-P
>
> I'm not sure about that. If we strik
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 02:49:00AM +, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> I would say that "technically" Jimmy's statement that it was just an
> informal poll to decide whether it is worth discussing further is binding.
> Someone acting on that poll alone might get away with it, but it would
> "technically"
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 05:12:34PM -0800, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> Before anyone blanks the en.wiki Main Page, please remember that the
> bill is still in committee. It could still be heavily modified or
> rejected completely before going to the floor. If it does go to the
> floor, it probably woul
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:57:51PM +, Fae wrote:
> On 14 December 2011 22:42, Kim Bruning wrote:
>
> No. My opinion was on the straw man as stated, not for some later
> re-interpretation.
Um, You opposed the straw man as stated. If you strike your position,
then I'd inte
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:59:13PM +, Fae wrote:
> > Strictly speaking, the straw poll there is sufficient, unless people bring
> > up true blockers.
> >
> > sincerely,
> > ? ? ? ?Kim Bruning
>
> I contributed to the straw poll on the understanding
peaking, the straw poll there is sufficient, unless people bring
up true blockers.
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 06:59:24PM +, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 December 2011, Renata St wrote:
> >> as per WIARM.
> > As I said, analyze and nitpick things to death. Does any of that above *
> > really* matter?
> Speaking off the record and in my personal capacity - fuckin' A. Tha
rs%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Harvard.2FScience_Po_Adverts
> >
>
> I will do it right now,
That's a good start!
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ize an olive branch when I see
one. :-)
Believe it or not, I've been trying to help, but I'm
obviously somewhat frustrated now.
Could we call privately first, at some time during the week?
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for beginners.
With the greatest possible respect; I would suggest that the research
committee does not have the kind of standing required to accuse others of
disruptive behaviour, at this point in time.
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) rcom members who are
involved with the project.
To be sure: this is not just a good idea. This is basic wiki(pedia) policy for
beginners. ;-)
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agine you walk into a bank office and start working on their
computers. No one knows who you are, no one knows what you are doing, and you
have no contract, contact info of the local manager, or ID on you.
What's going to happen?
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On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:48:05PM -0500, Renata St wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, the research committee still hasn't made any onwiki statement at a
> > relevant location that I can find. If this were a court case, RCom
> > would pretty much have lost by default and/or forfeit already.
> >
>
> As I said, an
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:11:35PM -0500, Renata St wrote:
>
> When did the community turned into this old grumpy bunch being unhappy
> about everything?
Eh? Not in the least. I think Jerome is a nice guy; and so does
practically everyone else who has gotten up to speed on what's going on.
The
and adhere to it.
* Plan sufficient time and resources for the correction of (inevitable)
unforseen issues.
If this is done in a timely manner, this needn't take a lot of time or
difficulty. Fixing errors and misunderstandings post-hoc is more
costly.
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note to
be careful. In the end you acted correctly according to consensus, albeit by
accident, as you now confirm.
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[1] For completeness: once upon a time, wikipedia-l was also acceptable as a
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page
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On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 09:25:03PM +0530, Achal Prabhala wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 December 2011 08:27 PM, Kim Bruning wrote:
> > I do not believe that the Indian internet community shares Kapil
> > Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for
> > themsel
December 2011 Philippe (WMF) (talk | contribs) deleted
"User:Geoffbrigham/Strategy" ??? (G6: Per author request: Author
request)
Oh hey, that's definitely odd! Are we getting a different page back? (In
that case, perhaps we should have done a move/
lieve that the Indian internet community shares Kapil
Sibal's position. Though they'll have to speak for
themselves, of course! :-)
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> Trying to connect -- anyone else having trouble or is it just me?
It's you. :-)
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;s prejudicial labelling.
Filtering:meh
Prejudicial Labelling: evil. Widely considered a Bad Idea (tm), since at least
the '50s
The reason filtering is 'meh' (as opposed to 'mostly harmless') is
because it is hard to do without prejudi
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:53:14AM +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 23:35, Fred Bauder wrote:
> > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Internet-Workers-of-the-World/224417737626665?sk=wall
> >
> > Our union
>
> I was thinking about party, but union is better :)
Ar?
Kim "Piece
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 01:05:32AM +0100, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
> Am 30.11.2011 00:04, schrieb Kim Bruning:
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 01:48:24PM +0200, Itzik Edri wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> *I happy to announce that all the videos from Wikimania 2011 in
t; improve search functionality and to help categorizing. It will actually
> help everyone and would get clear referendum results." ;P
That's going in the right direction. And perhaps we can easily do more,
within the given constraints.
If so, there's no reason not to.
i8S2_trs
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2Vb7CqTdc
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iDMLkC_pRg
O:-)
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he actual library argument is a
bit different.
(Notably, you don't address the ALA's concepts of "prejudicial label" or
"censorship tool")
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nd are opposed to them.
eg.
http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=interpretations&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=8657
See elsewhere for further sources. (they get brought up regularly)
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rking towards common
consensus.
Here's the key argument from a "fellow traveller"[1] kind of organisation, to
help you catch up. :-)
http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=interpretations&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=8657
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K
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:09:04AM +0100, M?ller, Carsten wrote:
> >
> > ... but -if we want to reach consensus[1]- what we really need to be
> > discussing is: screwdrivers.
> >
> > sincerely,
> > Kim Bruning
> >
>
> No, we need
few people went: "Dude, shouldn't we use some long object that we
can twist or something?"
Somehow the discussion has devolved to respectively
* "Why do you want the screw to stick out?" versus
* "Why do you want to hit our thumb?"...
... but -if we want to reach consens
ctive too.
See:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kim_Bruning#Image_filter
In this discussion with Atlasowa I challenge them to come with actual
numbers and facts. I think Atlasowa has proved all of us more-or-less
wrong ;-)
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(considered an antipattern on tv tropes!)
Addiction warning: These are links to TVTropes.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife
(Isn't getting people addicted to reading and editing a *GOOD* thing, from a
wiki POV?)
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On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 04:18:54PM +, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> It's a WP USCRIPT at WP:TLA/TL:DR/TTP. DL it on the QT because it's TS and
> you'll get KP if found out.
ZOMG, you violated WP:WOTTA [1] !
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
wiki and up into low earth orbit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adminitis
So qua editor retention, 2 things are needed:
* Make editing more obvious and easy, and bring the fun back. :-)
* Work on The Cure For Adminitis (tm). O:-)
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; Thank you for that, that was hilarious to read through all those reversions.
Now you understand the true source of wiki-power: A sense of humor, and a keen
sense of fun.
/me almost forgot wikipedia used to be that way. :-)
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is inadequate, and that is because filtering is a
hard problem.
If we're smart, we'll try to do something that is slightly different from actual
filtering, to get around what I'm starting to suspect is something of a
mathematical
pothole in our way.
s
ms like a fairly good wiki-like solution. :-) It's not
perfect,
but nothing is. It seems to strike the right balance. I could certainly live
with it.
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omes from people with an IT
background. That is to say, people who have tried to figure it out, and have had
some trouble finding a solution. (I may be biased, since that's my own personal
background too)
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> to remember that choice?" seems like a more straightforward
> accommodation of the concerns that we're talking about than saying
That's actually just POV-pushing :-( , albeit very politely. :-)
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20:15PM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote:
> On 11 October 2011 21:51, Kim Bruning wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:55:46PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> > > OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should
> > &g
actually work.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/filter
Hmm, how would it fare against a marblecake attack? ;-)
http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/15/inside-the-precision-hack/
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I just lost The
ensure that your own information is impeccable
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reviewed images that can be
> considered objectionable, that could be filtered/black-listed.
We could also just delete them, unless someone actually uses them in a sensible
way in an article. :-)
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 09:22:09PM -0400, Risker wrote:
> all the articles in [[:Category:Sexual positions]]
What are you trying to ...
Let's try a question like:
...Can you block [[:Category:Demolished windmills]] (and all
subcats?) for yourself?
sincerely,
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he given category on commons, if
viewed on the actual pages they are used for on wikipedia?
And will it also block images from the subcategory - if used on wikipedia?
I might investigate or even buy this software (if not exceptionally
expensive) and test it extensively if this is the case.
si
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 07:43:22PM -0400, Risker wrote:
> On 10 October 2011 18:45, Kim Bruning wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 07:12:04PM -0400, Risker wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've seen it in operation.
>
r content-finding, is not
> amenable to use in exactly the same way that an
> image-filter-specific category would be.
It would require some amount of remapping before it could be
practically used in that manner.
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ppropriate in different parts of the world)
Our current category system conforms to B. We would need some sort of mapping
to A to make a category based filter
work.
Social problem: Mapping B to A is evil, according to ALA. ;-)
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Patient: &q
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:39:43PM +0400, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:32:57 +0200, Kim Bruning
> wrote:
>
> > I'll (re)join the community discussion.
> > Which page(s) are being used atm?
> >
> None I know of.
That's ok. I'
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:18:23PM +0400, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:37:05 +0200, Kim Bruning
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 01:44:09PM +0400, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
> >> I was following the discussion without ever giving my own opinion, and
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 07:49:04PM +0100, David Gerard wrote:
> On 10 October 2011 18:37, Kim Bruning wrote:
>
> > I think that having the image blurring system, combined with an option to
> > unblur,
> > would get us very far towards the stated board directive, and I
perfect
> idea, but discussing and debating the merits of each idea might
> reveal a solution that's tenable.
There are well known standard attacks against pretty much any
current user-facing data-collection system [1]. :-/ But perhaps there
are even other ideas! :-)
sincerely,
o view license details and full size versions of the image.
If there are but few additions, we can go straight to bugzilla. If people feel
that
adjustment is needed, we can take this to meta first, before moving to bugzilla.
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> this will not be possible, but it's the goal.
Perfect. That's exactly what I was hoping for.
It's a deal! :-)
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> compromise and then do so.
That's neither here nor there. There's a way to make that work. (A little more
complex than fits into this margin, but it's essentially what I'm up to all the
ti
> making mechanisms, so it can take deliberate action. The community
> can't.
Actually, the community is quite capable of generating coherent action, thank
you. If you don't know how, there's folks around who can teach you. If you can't
find any, I
"
>
> It will be webcast:
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2011/10/makohill
That is SO awesome! :-) I'm definitely going to watch and read about that.
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On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 03:21:45AM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 08:47:43PM +0530, Bishakha Datta wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Lodewijk
> > wrote:
^- apologies for leaving this quote-line in. I was replying to a quote
by Bishaka Datta.
Th
.
Constructive solutions FTW. :-)
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onse of 5.7 and a median of 6."
>
> How do we understand this? And how should this be factored into making a
> decision?
The distribution is strongly bimodal. Describing it as "mildly in favor" is not
accurate.
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ion when implementing a form of
labelling.
Fortunately, labelling is *not* actually required by the board resolution.
So, the solution going forward -imo- is to implement a software solution that
doesn't depend on labelling.
At that point, your arguments hold water; and I agree
ittle too close to the edge on this one. We
need some other options. :)
Fortunately, people like Erik Moeller have been considering other
implementations, where no central categories or lists are used.
Those seem MUCH more sane, and are probably the way forward here. :-)
sincerel
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 04:12:37PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Up to now, all females from US (four of them) are in favor of filter
> (though, Sarah just tactically) and the only one not from US
> (Brazil/Portugal) is against.
This is not entirely true. At least one other .us female is against.
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than intended. :-(
sincerely,
Kim Bruning
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if this is going to be shown at conferences and such,
it might be handier to add subtitles? :-)
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Kim Bruning
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t;
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> Plus a few months, my first edits were from March 2001.
First five edits in Nov 2001. :-) (including anime, flying saucers,
and Dijkstra ;-) )
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And now for something completely different. :-)
Who here has already had their 10th wikibirthday, and who will have it soon?
Seems like an excuse for a party :-)
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Kim 'TINC' Bruning
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New RFC on image filter, for wikisource, being setup on meta. Please
help set it up, and please contribute! :-)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Image_filter_on_Wikisource
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Kim Bruning
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