On Jan 7, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe wrote:
>
> The vote should run for 72 hours:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -> the last sentence of
> the "Expressing Votes: +1, 0, -1, and Fractions" section.
>
> Once the vote is over, you can send a [RESULT] [VOTE] mail to the
Quoting Greg Reddin :
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get
this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site.
I have not yet voted on this. For the record I am +1 on the contest
and the p
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
>> IOW, you don't have to list the names.
>
> In general I agree but when voting on committers or PPMC members,
> those votes must be forwarded to the Incubator PMC and there must be
> at least one +1 from a mentor, so some indication of
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Greg Reddin wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
> wrote:
>> For instance like this:
>>
>> The vote passes with binding +1s from:
>>
>
> Or it might be easier to say "The vote passes with $X binding +1s, $X
> non-binding +1s, no -1s", et
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> FWIW, I have just removed the "send to" bit which I think was redundant.
I noticed that. Works for me.
Greg
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Greg Reddin wrote:
> ...2. The last lines of the page say: "The authors of the selected Apache
> Flex logo(s) will need to donate them to the Apache Flex project
> according to the Apache individual contributor license: ICLA.txt Send
> to the Apache Flex Mailing Lis
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
wrote:
> For instance like this:
>
> The vote passes with binding +1s from:
>
Or it might be easier to say "The vote passes with $X binding +1s, $X
non-binding +1s, no -1s", etc..."
IOW, you don't have to list the names.
Greg
On 7 January 2012 23:02, Jun Heider wrote:
>
> I'm sure Bertrand can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we have enough
> binding +1 to call this voted?
The vote should run for 72 hours:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -> the last sentence of
the "Expressing Votes: +1, 0, -1, and F
+1 (binding)
/Anne
On 7 January 2012 22:07, Peter Elst wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
> - Peter
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get
> this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site.
I have not yet voted on this. For the record I am +1 on the contest
and the page with the following t
You can put an announcement on the front page but I think it's better
to have a specific URL for the contest page, suggest
http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html
The left navigation is defined in
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/site/trunk/templates/leftnav.mdtext
if y
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz :
>> ...maybe
>> you could publish the contest page at http://incubator.apache.org/flex
>> with a big DRAFT - CONTEST HAS NOT STARTED YET warning, and we can
>> fine tune before announcing the contest?
>>
> ...Y
Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz :
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
...Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would
like to get
this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site
I missed that deadline and not sure what the current status i
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> ...Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to get
> this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site
I missed that deadline and not sure what the current status is - maybe
you could publish the co
+1 (non-member)
Keep Walking,
~ Sandeep
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:42 AM, James Roland Cabresos
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ryan Frishberg wrote:
>
> > +1 (binding).
> >
> > The proposal looks good to me. I think 2 weeks would probably be a good
> > length for the competitio
+1
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ryan Frishberg wrote:
> +1 (binding).
>
> The proposal looks good to me. I think 2 weeks would probably be a good
> length for the competition.
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Omar Gonzalez >wrote:
>
> > +1 (binding)
> >
>
+1 (binding).
The proposal looks good to me. I think 2 weeks would probably be a good
length for the competition.
Cheers,
Ryan
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
I like the idea of a userevoice vote rather than use one of the pay-for-art
sites.
-Nick
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Jun Heider wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> >
> >
> > One thing that ought to be clea
Requiring everybody to sign an ICLA is a bit much, and I would seriously
discourage it. The ICLA required a two week review from the GC at my
office before I could sign it (with you work for an entity like a
university, IBM, Lucent, etc, where they own everything you do, there is a
lot of hee-hawi
On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
>
> One thing that ought to be cleared up in the next week is the procedure for
> voting on the contestants. Will it be a ranked order until a choice is the
> majority? Will it be the mos
On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
>>> No worries. What you've done so far has been awesome and most appreciated.
>>> I was more referring to all the back and forth on this particular thread
>>> after the voting had taken place. I guess I just need to get used to how
>>> d
No worries. What you've done so far has been awesome and most
appreciated. I was more referring to all the back and forth on this
particular thread after the voting had taken place. I guess I just
need to get used to how decisions are made the "Apache Way" :)
With my mentor hat (newly mi
On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Here is a page about decision making at Apache. [1]
>
> It is referred to by this page. [2]
>
> HTH,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html
> [2] http://community.apache.org/committers/index.html
Right on. Tha
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Jun Heider wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
>> Hi Jun,
>>
>> I was just trying to get a date for starting the contest really since I'm
>> putting it up on the site. I guess starting it on Tuesday morning for one
>> week is the gam
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> Hi Jun,
>
> I was just trying to get a date for starting the contest really since I'm
> putting it up on the site. I guess starting it on Tuesday morning for one
> week is the gameplan. That is what I am going off of until told otherwise.
I don't think this is stupid. I say go with the copy you have and
we can use twittering as our crowd sourcing. If we want to be
doubly-careful we can respond to submissions and ask if the designer
will be cool with signing and ICLA if they win before their
submission is made public for
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
> Well from the standpoint of fairness wouldn't we do a;
>
> while (runnerup = contestants.next())
> if (runnerup.agreeToLicense())
> break;
>
> winner = runnerup;
>
> I know that is stupid but it's Sunday.
I don't think this is stu
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> So you're going to make every entrant submit the agreement before hand?
> It sounds like a high barrier of entry.
>
> The contract and/or terms that the winner must sign should be made known
> up front. I thought they were part of the ori
So you're going to make every entrant submit the agreement before
hand? It sounds like a high barrier of entry.
The contract and/or terms that the winner must sign should be made
known up front. I thought they were part of the original contest proposal.
On 1/8/2012 12:49 PM, Jonathan Ca
Quoting Jonathan Campos :
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
Really? How come? I would have thought that only the contest winner
would have to sign such an agreement.
What if the winner decides they don't like the agreement? We've all just
wasted time.
--
Jonathan Cam
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> Really? How come? I would have thought that only the contest winner
> would have to sign such an agreement.
What if the winner decides they don't like the agreement? We've all just
wasted time.
--
Jonathan Campos
On Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM, "Abhilash Krishnan" wrote:
>
> I don't really agree with Randy! Open Source is crowd or community
> collaboration initiative. Open source evolves through community and the
> contribution involved. Here nobody is dictating terms. You are at peace to
> involve and contribute.
On 1/8/2012 11:37 AM, Mihai Ene wrote:
I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous users (such
as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not possible since everyone who
submits materials must have signed the Apache ICLA.
Really? How come? I would have thought tha
I didn't mean to start a religious war.
On 1/8/2012 11:31 AM, Randy Troppmann wrote:
As a professional designer I am ethically opposed to sites like this for
the purpose of crowd sourcing graphic design.
Of course you are! Everybody hates it when technology helps enable
competition to the
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> The contest currently reads;
>
>
> The authors of the selected Apache Flex logo(s) will need to donate them to
> the Apache Flex project according to the Apache individual
> contributor license: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.tx
I have another thought about this. Why can't they use a public medium, and
if it's the one accepted, that one person signs an ICLA? Surely we're not
going to hamper entries by requiring all entrants to sign an ICLA up front?
Or, would it be acceptable to put it in the entry contest rules that th
On Jan 8, 2012 10:02 AM, "Doug Arthur" wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2012 9:32 AM, "Mihai Ene" wrote:
> >
> > You cannot use an anonymous submission platform (like a blog, Twitter
or personal websites) because every user who submits materials needs to
sign the apache ICLA
> > Thus, i am afraid that the
On Jan 8, 2012 9:32 AM, "Mihai Ene" wrote:
>
> You cannot use an anonymous submission platform (like a blog, Twitter or
personal websites) because every user who submits materials needs to sign
the apache ICLA
> Thus, i am afraid that the mailing list remains the only option so far.
>
> Mihai Ene
Quoting Mihai Ene :
I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous
users (such as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not
possible since everyone who submits materials must have signed the
Apache ICLA.
Mihai Ene
Hmm, that might be a good point. I just need p
I don't really agree with Randy! Open Source is crowd or community
collaboration initiative. Open source evolves through community and the
contribution involved. Here nobody is dictating terms. You are at peace to
involve and contribute. Open source demands involvement and contribution
from the com
I believe that using an external submission platform with anonymous users (such
as a blog, Twitter or a personal website) is not possible since everyone who
submits materials must have signed the Apache ICLA.
Mihai Ene
As a professional designer I am ethically opposed to sites like this for
the purpose of crowd sourcing graphic design. If you go this direction you
will find that designers like me will not participate for this very reason.
And these are the people you need involved. If you go down this road you
wi
On Jan 8, 2012 7:41 AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
>
> Quoting Jeffry Houser :
>
>> On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way.
>>
>>
>> I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to subscribe
to this maili
Quoting Jeffry Houser :
On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way.
I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to
subscribe to this mailing list to submit entries. Is there a way to
post to the list w/o bein
With Apache, are you limited to using their mailing lists?
I'm sure Adobe would allow us to leverage their Forums, which allow people to
follow the conversations and post without being subscribed.
Don
Don Kerr
Founder & Chief Software Architect
DoubleTake
http://www.doubletaketech.com
On Ja
On 1/8/2012 9:19 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
logo designers need to submit there work via the list any way.
I generally think it is a bad idea to force logo designers to
subscribe to this mailing list to submit entries. Is there a way to post
to the list w/o being subscribed?
I was think
Quoting Carlos Rovira :
I think if we want to get some buzz out there and captivate some
professional logo maker's attention to get its vision and proposals about
Apache Flex, we should get accesibles the contest to the people who work
all day in this subjects. So, maybe to post the contest in s
I think if we want to get some buzz out there and captivate some
professional logo maker's attention to get its vision and proposals about
Apache Flex, we should get accesibles the contest to the people who work
all day in this subjects. So, maybe to post the contest in some of the
communities that
+1 (binding)
I like the idea, but from what I remember, almost all of the 99designs or
crowdspring ideas are paid. Non-paid ones usually don't get much traction
on those sites...
-Nick
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> Those that voted, read this and give your opinion.
>
> Any mentor
You only mention that you need to donate your work to Apache. The licenses
don't mention where the graphics are coming from (and that was my point).
Pretty much, we just need to avoid people using one of Adobe's trademarked
logos (past or present), which I'm sure people would be inclined to do.
Those that voted, read this and give your opinion.
Any mentors willing to read this and answer by Sunday? I would like to
get this discussed quickly before I commit anything on the site.
I just think this might have slipped through the cracks, interesting thought.
Mike
Quoting Jeffry Houser
Quoting Nicholas Kwiatkowski :
+1 (binding), but I think we need to make sure that submitters be cautious
of existing copyrighted materials. It's an obvious subnote, but one I
think we have to mention (I've run into a LOT of people thinking that I
would take care of legal issues for logos they
+1 (binding), but I think we need to make sure that submitters be cautious
of existing copyrighted materials. It's an obvious subnote, but one I
think we have to mention (I've run into a LOT of people thinking that I
would take care of legal issues for logos they have designed for me).
-Nick
On
+1 (binding)
Tink
On Jan 7, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Iwo Banaś wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
> Cheers,
> Iwo Banas
I'm sure Bertrand can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we have enough
binding +1 to call this voted?
+1 (binding)
Cheers,
Iwo Banas
Mmmm...I forgot to say my + 1 os not binding :)
El sábado 7 de enero de 2012, Carlos Rovira
escribió:
> +1
>
> Btw, great to see all the work done putting the rules of the contest so
quickly.
>
>
>
> El sábado 7 de enero de 2012, Michael Schmalle
escribió:
>> Quoting Jun Heider :
>>
>>>
>>> On J
+1
Btw, great to see all the work done putting the rules of the contest so
quickly.
El sábado 7 de enero de 2012, Michael Schmalle
escribió:
> Quoting Jun Heider :
>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>>
>>> The below has been added to the draft;
>>>
>>>
>>> Added;
>>>
+1 (binding)
- Peter
Here are a few mixed thoughts:
I wonder if a site like Crowdspring or 99designs would be a suitable
venue for a contest like this? I believe it would get the contest in
front of folks who are more design oriented than most programmers; and
already have built in facilities for voting on res
+1 non-binding
My first official +1 here too as PPMC member! :-) Fun times.
On Jan 7, 2012 12:27 PM, "Jun Heider" wrote:
>
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
> > The below has been added to the draft;
> >
> >
> > Added;
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: The
I had a question to myself about this, I will take charge of updating
the site if others don't' mind. I will put the submissions up in time
of received as to not favorite anything and place them under the
contest description. Separate section beneath the content.
Mike
I completely agree.
Quoting João Saleiro :
+1 (non-binding)
But I would like to add a comment: we should publish the existing
proposals on the page where the contest is published (so they serve
as inspiration/guideline/motivation) and it would be nice if from
time to time (daily?) that page was updated with
On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:31 PM, João Saleiro wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> But I would like to add a comment: we should publish the existing proposals
> on the page where the contest is published (so they serve as
> inspiration/guideline/motivation) and it would be nice if from time to time
> (d
Quoting Jun Heider :
On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
The below has been added to the draft;
Added;
Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a
proposal that can be tweaked and cemented into it's fina
+1 (non-binding)
But I would like to add a comment: we should publish the existing
proposals on the page where the contest is published (so they serve as
inspiration/guideline/motivation) and it would be nice if from time to
time (daily?) that page was updated with all the other proposals rece
On Jan 7, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> The below has been added to the draft;
>
>
> Added;
>
>
>
> Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a proposal
> that can be tweaked and cemented into it's final publis
The below has been added to the draft;
Added;
Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a
proposal that can be tweaked and cemented into it's final published
form.
[1] http://
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