Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-24 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Yes, I agree, and I certainly agree that a command queue would be a great feature, especially for testing and debugging. I was really just trying to make the case that it was worth the space to discuss it and got a bit overly strident about that. I also think that the design and prototyping issue

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/23/12 4:09 PM, "Scott Delamater" wrote: >> >> I challenge all readers here >> >> Tell me a single feature that Flex needs more than a good designing and >> prototyping tool. > > ... > Personally I'd prioritize and contribute to any of those long before I'd > devote time to a WYSIWYG to

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/24/2012 7:09 AM, Scott Delamater wrote: You could also refer to: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Apopularissues-panel not exactly fair, data came before adobe OS-ed flex & announced dropping design view from FB.

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Frédéric THOMAS
Thank's Om for this precision. Frédéric THOMAS > From: bigosma...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:09:53 -0800 > Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is > sufficient interest > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Okay, I to

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Om
's not the Flash builder, it is the design view only, > so, they first have to check if it is possible to give only the code of > this part. > > Frédéric THOMAS > > > From: bigosma...@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:56:23 -0800 > > Subject: Re: Adobe migh

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Scott Delamater
> > I challenge all readers here > > Tell me a single feature that Flex needs more than a good designing and > prototyping tool. >From an informal office poll of some of our engineers here at Shutterfly, my thoughts included: - A real collections API (@see http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/d

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Reynolds, Brian J (Brian)
+1 from me as well. The design view does help especially when it comes to quick prototypes. Brian On 2/23/12 4:56 PM, "Om" wrote: >I am curious about what exactly would(may) be donated? Is it an Eclipse >plugin? I heard someone mention that it is a Flex application. Can >someone shed s

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Frédéric THOMAS
open-sourcing the Design View if there is > sufficient interest > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > I am curious about what exactly would(may) be donated? Is it an Eclipse > plugin? I heard someone mention that it is a Flex application. Can > someone shed some light on t

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Om
I am curious about what exactly would(may) be donated? Is it an Eclipse plugin? I heard someone mention that it is a Flex application. Can someone shed some light on the specifics? That said, +1 from me for open sourcing the Design View. I would love to contribute in that area. Thanks, Om 20

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Frédéric THOMAS
When I asked to Deepa two days ago about the Design view, I had in mind, the fact that, although I am an experienced Flex developer, I still use it, it is very convenient for the drafts, as in companies, it is very handy and valuable to present quick prototypes and finally it's a tool that can

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Nicolas COQUELET
+1 I would like a designer which can do quick preview of my items renderer and help me to make adjustements. 2012/2/23 JP Bader > +1 for Dmitri's follow through! Thank you! > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Dimitri k. wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Dimitri k." > >> > >> Sh

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread JP Bader
+1 for Dmitri's follow through! Thank you! On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Dimitri k. wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Dimitri k." >> >> She said that Adobe hasn't thought about it because they didn't believe we >> were interested, but she was thinking it could be a good idea. >>

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Dimitri k.
- Original Message - From: "Dimitri k." She said that Adobe hasn't thought about it because they didn't believe we were interested, but she was thinking it could be a good idea. In fact, the Design View is a Flex app, so the community can easily contribute to it, and legal scrubbing sho

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-23 Thread Sebastian Mohr
+1 from my side ... A quick reminder of my former post [1] ... I have created a petition regarding this issue for the "Design View" in Flash Builder and Flash Catalyst [2]. Discontinuing "Design View" in Flash Builder and Flash Catalyst means: • This is bad news for all people who prefer to de

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pierangelo Mancusi
+1 of course Il giorno 22 febbraio 2012 11:03, Dimitri k. ha scritto: > After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would > be a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could > consider to open-source it after the removal from next version of Flash > B

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
50-641-0031 Cell: 650-823-8699 From: Cortlandt Winters To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; jef...@dot-com-it.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest Hi Jeffrey, If anything is more

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Hi Jeffrey, If anything is more frustrating than the Me 2's to expanding and improving existing features it's the constant whining and noise about what adobe could have done or isn't willing to do, or speculation about totally throwing away the baby with the bathwate0,r or core framework features

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Dimitri k.
- Original Message - From: "Jeffry Houser" This is a high traffic mailing list; so I get frustrated with the occasional barrage of "me too/+1" non-vote-thread posts which add nothing to any discussion. I question how many of the people who want this are willing to put time and effo

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/22/2012 11:41 AM, Dimitri k. wrote: From: "Jeffry Houser" I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Dimitri k.
From: "Jeffry Houser" I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not sure if I would put effort to try to fulfi

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread JP Bader
My personal workflow wouldn't change if we had it, but I agree that it is a useful piece of FB (especially for newer devs) and if we could have it, then that would be terrific! +1 JP On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > >  I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe e

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jeffry Houser
I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not sure if I would put effort to try to fulfill that role, though.

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Charles Monteiro
+1 its essential for RAD , Design View is key to prototyping , getting things up and running, source view is for tweaking and polishing, both are essential in any modern RAD environment + 1000 really On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Iuri Pereira wrote: > +1 > > Iuri > > > 2012/2/22 Arturo Alv

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Iuri Pereira
+1 Iuri 2012/2/22 Arturo Alvarado > > > Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting started > > > Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components > behaviours. > > > +1 > > > Bruce Lane > > +1 Also > > Arturo Alvarado > >

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Arturo Alvarado
> Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting started > > Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components > > behaviours. > > +1 > > Bruce Lane +1 Also Arturo Alvarado

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jack Freudenheim
+1 On 2/22/12 9:38 AM, Eugene Diana wrote: +1 on keeping DV alive -Original Message- From: Jason Batten [mailto:i...@jasonbatten.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:18 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Eugene Diana
+1 on keeping DV alive -Original Message- From: Jason Batten [mailto:i...@jasonbatten.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:18 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest Another +1, it's

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Glenn Williams
single button press that would show them an accurate rendering of the page of source they were viewing -Original Message- From: piter...@gmail.com [mailto:piter...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter HO Sent: 22 February 2012 10:28 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think o

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jack Ring
+1 for design view. On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Pepe wrote: > +1 for Design View > > 2012/2/22 Dimitri k. : >> After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would be >> a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could consider >> to open-source it after th

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Glenn Williams
show them an accurate rendering of the page of source they were viewing -Original Message- From: piter...@gmail.com [mailto:piter...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter HO Sent: 22 February 2012 10:28 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design V

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pepe
+1 for Design View 2012/2/22 Dimitri k. : > After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would be > a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could consider > to open-source it after the removal from next version of Flash Builder. > Frédéric Thomas, also on

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Humberto Sanchez II
+1 here. I would be willing to spend some time on the DV code. Humberto _ On 2/22/12 4:03 AM, "Dimitri k." wrote: >After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would >be >a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeti

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pepe
Sorry, I knew those. I just wanted to say. Never mind... Shigeru Nakagaki 2012/2/22 Omar Gonzalez : > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pepe wrote: > >> Why does not Adobe contribute Flash Builder to Eclipse Foundation? >> # Then it might support 64bit and Eclipse plug-in. >> >> Shigeru Nakagaki

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pepe wrote: > Why does not Adobe contribute Flash Builder to Eclipse Foundation? > # Then it might support 64bit and Eclipse plug-in. > > Shigeru Nakagaki > Simply because that wouldn't make them money. And Adobe is about making money. But, let's stay on topic,

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 22/02/2012 19:55, Pepe wrote: Why does not Adobe contribute Flash Builder to Eclipse Foundation? # Then it might support 64bit and Eclipse plug-in. I guess its because they still want to sell Flash Builder :) yours Martin.

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pepe
Why does not Adobe contribute Flash Builder to Eclipse Foundation? # Then it might support 64bit and Eclipse plug-in. Shigeru Nakagaki 2012/2/22 Martin Heidegger : > +0.9 > > I agree that the design view would be nice - but only if it doesn't delay > other contributions such as the compiler. > >

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
+0.9 I agree that the design view would be nice - but only if it doesn't delay other contributions such as the compiler. yours Martin

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread saurabh jain
+1 from me too. Design view is very helpful when you wish to see different states of your component. - Saurabh On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:05 PM, David Arno wrote: > +1 from me too. Even if we never make use of it, we'd be mad to decline > such > an offer. > > David. > > -- Regards, Saurabh +9

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread David Arno
+1 from me too. Even if we never make use of it, we'd be mad to decline such an offer. David.

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Art Grater
+1 Design View is crucial to my work flow. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Dimitri k. wrote: > After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would > be a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could > consider to open-source it after the removal from

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
If the DV source was donated I'd be willing to spend time on that. I have a lot of ideas for improving the DV as I'm sure many of you do as well. As much as I never liked DV, if we had the source I'd be interested in looking to improve on it. +1 for open sourcing DV! :) -- Omar Gonzalez s9tpep...

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Peter HO
I add my vote to this thread. Even if most of us "experienced flexers" don't use it very often, design view is useful for beginners and for mobile application layouting. +1 for me Peter On 22 February 2012 11:17, Jason Batten wrote: > Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting star

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread jude
+1 There is a lot of interest. Also Flash Catalyst DV. The way it is able to create a skin component classes from the design view is an important part of the learning process for. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Jason Batten wrote: > Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting start

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jason Batten
Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting started On 22/02/2012 6:14 PM, Bruce Lane wrote: Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components behaviours. +1 Bruce Lane On 22 February 2012 11:11, Avinash Narayanan wrote: I completely agree. I personally loved the d

re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Rui Silva
> From: "Dimitri k." > Subject: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest > > She concluded that the best thing to make it happen would be to show > interrest for the open-sourcing of DV on this list. > That would definitely be very interesting. Will a

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Bruce Lane
Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components behaviours. +1 Bruce Lane On 22 February 2012 11:11, Avinash Narayanan wrote: > I completely agree. I personally loved the design view alot especially when > I first started out since I had no idea what flex was all about. Its also

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Avinash Narayanan
I completely agree. I personally loved the design view alot especially when I first started out since I had no idea what flex was all about. Its also brilliant for understanding the various containers, components etc from a learning perspective. definitely a +1 from my side. Thanks Avinash Y On