Re: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-27 Thread jude
Right. And if you're project was 1MB and you could get 10 more frames per second out of an optimization that added 50kb then you'd want to flip that switch. What I mean is that it's the type of choice you could add as a compiler option. We already have to make the size vs speed vs convenience choic

Re: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-27 Thread Omar Gonzalez
>> It sounds like a decision that has to be made by the project. For >> mobile >> apps size is not as much of a concern as performance. > Probably true, but I hear lots of complaints about folks hitting some limit the Apple Store approvers don't like. > > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Developer > Adobe Sys

RE: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-27 Thread Alex Harui
> -Original Message- > From: jude [mailto:flexcapaci...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:01 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Optimize Flex performance > > It sounds like a decision that has to be made by the project. For > mobi

Re: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-27 Thread jude
l Message- > From: James Ong [mailto:yanlile...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:15 PM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Optimize Flex performance > > As far as I see, Flex code into bytecode are not optimize for performance. > Is there any plans for committers write efficient compiler? >

RE: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-26 Thread Gordon Smith
Adobe -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosm...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:49 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Optimize Flex performance The Falcon compiler will have some bytecode optimizations that the current compiler doesn't do, such a

RE: Optimize Flex performance

2012-01-26 Thread Gordon Smith
could grow significantly. - Gordon Smith, Adobe -Original Message- From: James Ong [mailto:yanlile...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:15 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Optimize Flex performance As far as I see, Flex code into bytecode are not optimiz

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-09 Thread John Gorena
I'm betting that they're porting over the entire flash API to JS to make conversion nearly 1:1 from an API standpoint.

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-05 Thread Raju Bitter
2012/1/5 Jeffry Houser : >  I'm not sure this needs a new component framework, or set of components. >  (It might, but I just don't know).  There are already two approaches to > this in "early" development.  Falcon-JS by Adobe and I believe Michael > Labriola had done some experiments around that.

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-05 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/5/2012 5:04 AM, Raju Bitter wrote: I--personally--would rather see efforts put towards optimizing existing Flex Components or the component framework; not on creating a 3rd component framework within Flex. Agree, that will be more valuable at the moment. Just don't wouldn't close the doo

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-05 Thread Raju Bitter
Hi Jeffry, 2012/1/4 Jeffry Houser : > >  Has open Laszlo stayed up to date?  I hadn't heard of it in many years. The project has been maintained relatively well by Laszlo until early 2011, it seems the company has stopped development at the moment. I wasn't thinking of using OpenLaszlo directly.

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
I'm probably worrying about this a bit too early and I know I've violated this a bit also. I'm going to watch what I say. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > And you did. I made sure to apologize early to you because it wasn't your > comment, but just general comments of firs

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
And you did. I made sure to apologize early to you because it wasn't your comment, but just general comments of first priorities and what is important. My worry is that some of these discussions hinder someone that may come in that doesn't feel like they can help rearchitect the framework, but just

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
No argument. I'd like to think I was clearly expressing personal preference, not dictating other people's actions. On 1/4/2012 5:44 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: Just to be fair. If they want to make another set of Components that is completely their choice. Sorry Jeff for responding with thi

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I have a CMS which consists of 10-15 modules with dynamic skinning (3 skins based on rolloutID the style.swf for the relevant project will be loaded at runtime) and there has been a lot of work done by inexperienced developers (following code guidelines with good testing but focus was on getting it

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
Just to be fair. If they want to make another set of Components that is completely their choice. Sorry Jeff for responding with this to your post, just see lots of people talking about what should and should not be done. We all have to remember that some people's passions may be in a different dir

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread João Fernandes
On 1/4/2012 10:23 PM, Iwo Banaś wrote: Many of performance issues can be addressed but to be sure that we are addressing the right ones we'll need a good performance benchmarks. Preferably a full enterprise applications. I'm aware that it's not possible to release commercial application code as

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
Has open Laszlo stayed up to date? I hadn't heard of it in many years. I--personally--would rather see efforts put towards optimizing existing Flex Components or the component framework; not on creating a 3rd component framework within Flex. On 1/4/2012 5:10 PM, Raju Bitter wrote: It wo

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
The large CSS file issue should be resolved in 4.6. And Ryan will likely submit another patch that makes it even better during state transitions. It is important to profile your application to understanding why you are having performance problems. Sure, UIComponent can be refactored and become

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
If someone was so inclined they could create some intentionally complicated application that allows you to view mailing list messages or some app to that effect. Then with this shared (and possibly helpful) app we could beat against it for performance. Just a wild idea. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:2

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Iwo Banaś
The Flex framework is a big beast but from my experience whichever part you pick it can be optimized :-) The biggest issue with StyleManager is scalability, it's fast for small toy projects and simple examples but terribly slow for huge applications.The problem is that styles processing times grow

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Raju Bitter
It would make sense to build a light-weight component set for Flex, which could be used for rendering Flex apps in HTML5 later on. The approach could be based on the UI/component implementation OpenLaszlo has (which provides cross-compilation features for ActionScript and JavaScript, check this dem

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
There will be numerous smaller things to tackle of course, I just wanted this general topic started to get some feedback. - I want UIComponent to be more lightweight - I want to reduce the performance cost of using styles and style selectors/descendants - I don't want UI to get blocked because of

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think that "performance" is an actionable item. The Flex Framework is a big beast; what exactly do you want to improve performance of? If you were to say that "I want views in a mobile web app to change quicker when using a viewChange effect" that w

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
Oh, I get it. I haven't worked much with those. But this does apply to the mobile scene as well. Even apps like Photoshop Touch lag quite a lot on the Galaxy tab 10.1, which came out this year. It's not a code issue, it's a framework issue. It does apply to skinning a lot as well. Just performan

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
And it's not only on mobile, on desktop (mostly Mac's) this is a problem also. I'm talking about big enterprise applications and websites here (like a CMS with graphical skin applied, nothing really in standard Flex skin) On 04/01/12 22:49, "Arthur Lockman" wrote: >+1 on this. Performance defini

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
+1 on this. Performance definitely needs to be addressed on Flex. I've noticed that on newer devices, it works fine. But on the slightly older ones, performance is a huge issue. Hopefully we can get in there and clean it up so it performs better. -- Arthur Lockman | Senior Developer @ Vivace

Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I've worked on Flex applications for the past 4-5 years and see a lot of developers picking it up since it is easy to create rich applications. However performance is often an issue. I mostly see it when using a lot of styles (or one large CSS file) and skinned components (It is even worse with