Re: [Evolution] Problems with POP3 with UTF-8 (RFC 6856)

2019-11-29 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2019-11-25 at 12:12 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Thu, 2019-11-21 at 23:54 +0100, Peter Dons Tychsen via evolution- > list wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-11-21 at 23:50 +0100, Peter Dons Tychsen wrote: > > > 1) Is this bogus, or is Evolution missing support for this POP3 > > > f

Re: [Evolution] Evolution - Dealing with groups

2022-05-10 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2022-05-06 at 08:56 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2022-05-05 at 21:38 -0700, Ubuntu Shoto Dojo wrote: > > How can I receive from a group? > > SMTP has no concept of a group; the upshot is there is nothing in the > message envelope [headers, etc...] which indicate a message

Re: [Evolution] Mailing list filters

2015-03-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2015-03-13 at 16:01 +, Justin Musgrove wrote: > For now, I added another condition "Recipients, contains, > evolution-list@gnome.org" You're liable to get false positives with that one. When someone replies to a thread you're actively participating in, you should normally get a message

Re: [Evolution] Mailing list filters

2015-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 09:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > (If that seems odd, remember that the person who replies cannot know if > > you're subscribed to the list or not, so it's horribly rude of them to > > *drop* you from the direct recipients and potentially cut you out of the > > conversation.

Re: [Evolution] Socket I/O time out in IMAP IDLE connections

2015-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 08:42 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 12:00 +0100, Florian Baumann wrote: > > Just normal TCP/IP with STARTTLS (which might be the "problem") > > > > ... > > > > > imapx_server_set_connection_timeout: 0x4f1e930 > > (GTlsClientConnectionGnutls) > >

Re: [Evolution] Mailing list filters

2015-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 13:07 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > However, IMO it's important to find the least common denominator that > works for most MUAs. For mailing lists the rule is, that most of the > times a reply should be send to the mailing list only. [citation needed] > There are just a few

Re: [Evolution] Mailing list filters

2015-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 09:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > It depends on the mailing list settings. There is a per user setting on > many mailing lists of "Avoid duplicate messages". With that you don't > receive the list copy if you are listed in the To: or Cc: headers. > Which is good, because you

Re: [Evolution] Mailing list filters

2015-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 14:07 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > Not that it particularly matters, my server-side filters already filter > the Evolution list on To: and Cc: headers because I couldn't rely on the > list headers. I have a choice you see - either I get things in my Inbox, > which is full enough

Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.15, Fedora 22 and Gnome Online Accounts

2015-03-17 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 17:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 10:16 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: > > Evolution, or perhaps GOA has managed to screw backup and recovery yet > > again. Do they ever think these things through? > > I have no idea who is "they" but if you're after being agg

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 16:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 08:21 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > > I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest > > thread > > > first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the > > > problem has to do with wanti

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort > > > on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually > > > *delivered*. So when we get a misdate

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort > > > on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually > > > *delivered*. So when we get a misdate

Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with "next message" order

2015-03-19 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default > > for > > *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? > > I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including > sort order) by setting t

Re: [Evolution] Socket I/O time out in IMAP IDLE connections

2015-03-25 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 13:53 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 11:41 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote: > > What about ShellCommand connections? > > Hi, > I just tried it and there is used GUnixInputStream and > GUnixOutputStream, which don't seem to

Re: [Evolution] Automatically fetching public key for encrypted mail does not work

2016-03-01 Thread David Woodhouse
nd use something saner. But this should suffice for now to enable the GAL certificate lookup. -- David WoodhouseOpen Source Technology Centre david.woodho...@intel.com Intel Corporation smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature __

Re: [Evolution] trouble using Evolution with Exchange

2016-03-21 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2016-03-14 at 09:22 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > > I agree with Ángel, trim anything related to authentication. Just in > case. Even your server addresses and realm names might be good to > trim. > > I see from your log that the server supports Basic, NTLM and Kerberos > authentications (th

Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

2016-08-09 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 23:35 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote: > Sir, > You have all rights to call me an idiot even I am not such one. > When I was much younger, in the 1985 I had an email function (BSD Unix) with > that one I could bounce a message. > I did get an disliked message and I could just hit

Re: [Evolution] Gmail integration w. Evolution

2016-11-21 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2016-10-31 at 12:39 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > > Hi, > it sounds like you set a different IMAP namespace in the Thunderbird. > Evolution's IMAP can do it too, it's only hidden from the UI since some > older version (years ago). There is a plan to add some "Advanced IMAP" > settings

Re: [Evolution] Gmail integration w. Evolution

2016-11-21 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2016-11-21 at 21:49 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Mon, 2016-11-21 at 19:31 +0100, Bart Vliegen wrote: > > I tried that before (editing the /sources-files, rebooting etc), it > > didn't work.  > > Hi, > okay, I tried it here and I see a difference. When I set >    UseNamespace=true

[Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-08-10 Thread David Woodhouse
A separate program can invoke Evolution to send an email, by running evolution mailto:some...@example.com?subject=blah... Is there a way to open and pre-populate a new meeting invitation, the same way? I'd like to put in the initial recipients and meeting information, then let the user fi

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 17:01 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-10 at 10:38 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > A separate program can invoke Evolution to send an email, by > > running > > > > evolution mailto:some...@example.com?subject=blah... &g

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 12:32 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 12:27 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > Thanks for the response (although yes, it really did take me this long > > to notice it when you didn't actually send it to me). >

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 16:36 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 14:01 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > I am aware that you are one of the former group, and you don't want to > > fix your filters so that they match your preferred use case for some >

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 17:23 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I don't understand that. I have Evolution filters to sort list traffic > into folders, and the folder list will show me a count of unread > messages. I do that too. In 138 mailing list folders there are 688,252 unread mails. Plus the

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 18:26 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > Oh you really have. I've referred you to that same document before, I'm > > sure :) > No, it was me you had that argument with many years ago - hence the > mention of me in that document and an explanation of how I do > everything

Re: [Evolution] Creating calendar events from the command line

2017-09-07 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 18:56 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > > Pidgin already depends on eds, if it would be easier, then write the > evolution module in the Pidgin code base. > > The main question is what you'd like to achieve. Either you want to > give users a chance to edit what they schedule with,

Re: [Evolution] EWS NTLM auth not working

2018-02-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2018-02-06 at 22:06 +0100, j...@centrum.cz wrote: > Hello, >   > I spent a little more time investigating the issue. I took a look in > to the source code of libsoup and I think it calls winbind's > ntlm_auth binary without password with the --use-cached-creds option > only. And if that doe

Re: [Evolution] Gnome evolution and RFC 6186

2018-04-03 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2018-04-03 at 07:30 +0100, André Rodier via desktop-devel-list wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope I am posting on the right mailing list. I am working on a project > that installs an email server from scratch. > > I am setting up DNS records for email services automatic discovery (RFC > 618

Re: [Evolution] Disabling Junk "vFolder"

2006-04-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 01:51 -0500, Richard Laager wrote: > I have an IMAP account configured, and there's the automatic "Junk" > folder showing there. Is there a way to disable it? See bug #253110 and the patch attached to it. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253110 http://bugzilla.gnome

Re: [Evolution] Disabling Junk "vFolder"

2006-04-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 11:38 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > For spam that is coming from a known source of spam of course. Reject > it at the SMTP envelope, sure. But not all spam comes from known > sources of spam in which case you have receive the entire DATA before > you can call it spam. At

Re: [Evolution] Removed IMAP folders still displayed

2006-04-09 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 15:08 +0200, Øystein Gisnås wrote: > Check if the folders are subscribed to. If they are, they will still > show up. Is there a bug already open for that? -- dwmw2 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://

Re: [Evolution] Wish: Uncached IMAP folders

2006-04-24 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 14:47 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > And STATUS means "tell me about *all* emails? If so, bummer. > > > > Turns out it's not STATUS but LIST, but in any case you can see the > > (impressive) amount of traffic generated by running with > > CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1. > > receive

Re: [Evolution] Wish: Uncached IMAP folders

2006-04-25 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 22:52 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm speechless. Was this done because some IMAP servers were buggy? If > not, there would seem to be no justification for it. I believe it was done in order to fix inconsistencies in the unseen counts on folders when the strange clien

Re: [Evolution] Wish: Uncached IMAP folders

2006-04-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 07:32 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 01:09 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 22:52 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > I'm speechless. Was this done because some IMAP servers were buggy? If

Re: [Evolution] FC6 (and FC5 updated) Evolution to Exim STARTTLS not supported

2006-11-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 10:11 +, John Austin wrote: > ehlo avon > 250-maui.jaa.org.uk Hello avon [148.197.29.3] > 250-SIZE 52428800 > 250-PIPELINING > 250 HELP Your server isn't advertising STARTTLS -- ignore the HELP; it should be in the EHLO response. Find out why -- is hosts_advertise_tls se

Re: [Evolution] FC6 (and FC5 updated) Evolution to Exim STARTTLS not supported

2006-11-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 12:41 +, John Austin wrote: > > In any event exim has never been configured to use TLS ! > > Having set the following in /etc/exim/exim.conf and generating the > cert > file > #ja_hack > tls_advertise_hosts = 148.197.29.3/32 > tls_certificate = /etc/exim/cert > tls_p

Re: [Evolution] Remove Junk vFolder

2007-02-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 10:22 -0800, Caleb Walker wrote: > What I want to do is get rid of that stupid Evolution Junk vFolder so > that my users dont see 2 Junk folders. There's a patch attached to bug #253110. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253110 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.

Re: [Evolution] Remove Junk vFolder

2007-02-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:34 -0800, Caleb Walker wrote: > Thank you David, now all I have to do is figure out how to install a > patch like that.. Should be easy enough. If you're using Fedora Core 6 there are packages with that and a few other important bug fixes at ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/dw

Re: [Evolution] problem witch GPG mail encryption (version 2.10.0)

2007-03-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 14:51 +0200, Ondrej Vesely wrote: > > The numbering is added by me. > I think, that the problem is that public key is not found although > command " gpg --list-keys" tells me that my keys are correctly > installed. Do you have any ideas, how to make encryption working? File

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 10:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Note: this is a comment on Evo itself, rather than the Evo list. > > As someone who posts quite a lot on this list, I'm forever having to > deal with people replying to my personal address rather than the list > address. Of course the

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 09:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Well, no. I'm advocating: > > - Reply To Author to reply to you alone. > - Reply To All to CC the author and reply to the list (the reverse of > the current situation). Ah -- so a purely cosmetic change, just moving recipients b

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 14:46 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 09:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Well, no. I'm advocating: > > > > - Reply To Author to reply to you alone. > > - Reply To All to CC the author and reply

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 09:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Note that I'm sending this to you, CC the list (using Shift-Ctrl-R). How > are you receiving it? One copy came straight to me, and landed in my inbox (intact). Another copy came to me via the list, and because it arrived with Return-

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 14:46 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 09:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > > Well, no. I'm advocating: > > > > > &

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 10:12 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > For some bizarre reason, the copy that came back to me through mailman > > > had stripped you from Cc. Yay for munging. :) > > I think that's because Mailman removes duplicates. If you weren't on the > > list you would have receive

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 10:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > No no no. Reply To Author is a reply to the author (sender) of the > message, i.e. what you get currently with Ctrl-R, and what you'll still > get with Ctrl-R when it's not a list message. This is very explicit in > the original propos

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 10:49 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 15:50 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 10:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > No no no. Reply To Author is a reply to the author (sender) of the >

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
ct (EMComposerPrefs *prefs, shell_settings, "composer-prompt-only-bcc", widget, "active"); + widget = e_builder_get_widget (prefs->builder, "chkPromptPrivateListReply"); + e_mutual_binding_new ( + shell_settings, "composer

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 12:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > When the message being replied to is *not* a list message (i.e. the > List-* headers -- specifically List-Post -- are not present), then > everything works as now, except that Reply To List (Ctrl-L) has the same > effect as Reply To Al

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 13:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > But if you want a key-combo which does this "reply to all or list" > > thing, then I suspect you'd do better to use Ctrl-Shift-R and the patch > > in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624204#c8 for that. > > That's differen

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 18:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 16:01 -0600, Bart wrote: > > How about a little piece of code that looks at the message and, if > > it's going to a list, nags you if you've top posted? > > It's tempting ... :-) (: ˙˙˙uʍop-ǝpısdn ʇxǝʇ ɹıǝɥʇ

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 20:48 +0200, Kåre Fiedler Christiansen wrote: > It seems to me that people are split in two camps: > * Those who want full control over who to reply to when, and same > short-cuts always > * Those who want Evolution to try to be intelligent about where to > reply to, by some

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 17:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 19:35 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > OK, that's more complex then... because in the general case it's not > > really OK to turn *either* of the existing 'Reply

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 16:24 -0600, Bart wrote: > Also, additional pop ups are annnoying! There are too many of then > now. I know, It's a trade-off. The annoyance that you feel when you *personally* see that pop-up just once and click the "never bother me again" option, versus the annoyance you

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 17:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > And this one to say "are you sure you want to reply to all?" when you > > reply to a message with lots of recipients. Unless it's a mailing list > > message. > > Definitely against this. There's no such thing as a "right number" of

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 18:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 23:10 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > I thought we were going the other way now, as you proposed I.e. > > turning > > > Reply To List into Reply To All when no list headers

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 19:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > If it does what we've been saying then I guess so. I've not been reading > code or recompiling Evo to check. I guess it's up to Matthew if he wants > to accept the patch. > > I'm still holding out for the Reply To Author action of cou

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
ch for that, but I was dubious about that anyway just because it changes the size of the button. With the "are you sure you want to reply privately?" autonag, perhaps it isn't really necessary anyway. -- David WoodhouseOpen

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:39 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 08:50 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > Does that include changing the name of the 'Reply' button to read > > 'Private Reply'? I've got a patch for that, but I was dubious about

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 13:36 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > >[ ] Reply button invokes mailing list reply > > > > This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The user can *already* express a > > preference, by moving their hand an inch or two to the left or right and > > hitting a different (ke

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:02 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 13:05 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > Then we can debate an appropriate default for the preference. > > > > If we're exposing it in the UI *instead* of the existing 'Reply'

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:18 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > GRRR - reply-to-list doesn't even work on the reply you sent because > you did a reply-to-all and I never got the list version of the message, > only the direct message. Hence the "Reply to all" is NO SUBSTITUTE for > "Reply to list". > > This

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:05 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Experienced users do make mistakes, and may well have disabled the nag > > pop-up which saves the novice users. But still this is a *much* better > > failure mode than accidentally sending stuff to the list which should > > have been

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 13:05 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > In general, those who are sophisticated enough to preconfigure > > anything are perfectly capable of hitting the right buttons in the > > first pl

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:40 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > I thought we were past that. > > > > So did I, but we are *still* seeing proposals which would replace the > > existing private "

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > 1. Nag popup for "you are replying privately to a mailing list message" > > 2. Nag popup for "you are replying to all, to many recipients" > > Both of these are OK, as long as the usual conditions apply, i.e. the > state is repres

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 16:32 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > In fact I think mostly you don't, but when you do (on munged lists) > > > you really do. > > > > The current option, if e

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 12:25 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > OK, let's summarize (RT = Reply-To address, LP = List-Post address, > SA = Sender or From Address, CC = CC addresses): > > Personal Reply Non-Munged List Munged List > w/o Option Munged List with

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:51 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > How is that different from the table (with your amendments)? It's not. It's just a simpler way of saying it. An even simpler way is: - Ctrl-R replies privately to the sender, using their Reply-To: or From: - Ctrl-Shift-R replies to

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:15 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > What I'm suggesting is that we retarget "Reply to All" (Shift-Ctrl-R) > and the button to be, instead "Reply Publicly" (or you can keep it named > "Reply to All" for all I care). OK, I can agree with that. > This button would DTRT based on

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 23:31 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > Even if they are subscribed (and looking in that folder) there may also > be a substantial delay to receiving mails through the mailing list, > which will introduce significantly more latency than if the active > participants

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:15 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > What I'm suggesting is that we retarget "Reply to All" (Shift-Ctrl-R) > and the button to be, instead "Reply Publicly" (or you can keep it named > "Reply to All" for all I care). This button would DTRT based on the > message, to send a public

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:15 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Let's not argue about that too much -- we won't make any progress. Let's > > just recognise that this 'DTRT' thing that you suggest is hard when we > > can't agree on what TRT is. > > Yes, but all your solutions seem to implement it the way

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 13:24 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > And it's *already* simple for the user to choose if they're using the > > keyboard shortcuts or the menu; it's only the toolbar that really needs > > attention, as you say. > > Fine. So what's the point of all this discussion then? Ju

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 11:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 16:09 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 18:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > And there are probably an equal number who believe the contrary, like &

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 18:22 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > because even though your normal > > preference is to reply-to-list on list messages, you might *sometimes* > > want to reply-to-all on a list message instead? > > No, I need to reply all for normal messages - life isn't just about > lists :

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 21:28 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Remember, the existing reply-to-list operation *already* falls back > > to replying to all if it can't find a List-Post: header. > > No it doesn't. The operation *does*. You're getting confused by the fact that the current menu items get

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:15 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > And I think it extremely rude for someone to effectively say "I want to > say something but I can't be arsed to find out what anyone else has to > say. My time is more important than yours so please send the messages > directly to me to save me

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 16:46 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 10:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > An obvious solution to this is to do what Kmail does. When the message > > being replied to contains a List-Post header, Ctrl-R should do the same > > as Ctrl-L. There should a

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:09 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > Remember, the existing reply-to-list operation *already* falls back > > > > to replying to all if it can't find a List-Post: header. > > > > > > No it doesn't. > > > > The operation *does*. You're getting confused by the fact that the

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:44 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > OK. So it's not just any List-*: header, there's a specific list of > headers it needs (with specific formats in some cases). Fine, that > explains why my test didn't work. Thanks for explaining it. Arguably we should fix things so that it's

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 15:12 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > What I would like is for the Reply-to-List to be more prominent to > > > encourage people to use that rather than just blindly replying to the > > > user. > > > > Certainly I'm with you on the 'rather than just blindly replying to the

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:45 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > OT: This is just to note that David's last reply has now fallen off the > right-hand edge of my (landscape-mode) screen, i.e. I can't see even the > first character of the Subject. Do you mean the 'R' for 'Reply' which is the first c

Re: [Evolution] Reply for list messages should go back to the list

2010-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Perhaps the "reply to all" nag could have a configurable threshold, but > it's no big deal. Yeah, I thought about that too, but couldn't be bothered. It's only a prompt to make you think; it doesn't have to be precise. Besides, the k

Re: [Evolution] questions from new user

2010-07-19 Thread David Woodhouse
side of the resulting dialog box (you may have to scroll it down). Select the 'Display' tab. Disable the 'Compress weekends in month view' option. -- David WoodhouseOpen Source Technology Centre david.woodho...@intel.com

Re: [Evolution] Google calendar issue...

2010-08-01 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:44 -0500, Eric Lorenz wrote: > I am a new Evolution user (v. 2.28.3, came from Thunderbird) on Ubuntu > 10.04. It has been working great, and I love the integration with > GNOME/Ubuntu. I have my calendars pulling from Google (mine, my wife's > and my daughter's) and all ha

Re: [Evolution] Script to search mails

2010-08-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 16:32 +0200, Chris Blake wrote: > Greetings community, > > I have a specific folder in my Inbox which I need to search for emails > and manipulate the results. > > I need to do this on the command line, something like : > > SELEECT * from the Inbox/Folder_To_Search > WHERE

Re: [Evolution] GUI question: clearing Inbox messages

2010-09-01 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:06 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > "Disappeared". As others already mentioned, be sure there is no search > active, menu Search / Clear, and the quicksearch bar says "All > Messages" are shown. That's not good enough. Sometimes a search is active even though it doesn't

Re: [Evolution] help with English "top post msg"

2010-09-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 15:53 +0900, nomnex wrote: > What would be correct way to explain in a top post msg. "Find my answer > in the message below"? I have seen the correct sentence quoted in few > msg. on the list, about email-list etiquette, but unfortunately I > haven't save the msg. for referenc

Re: [Evolution] sometimes can't get mail

2010-09-20 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 08:39 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > or there was a password failure, or Evo connected but didn't > > download/upload anything, or what? > > Evo's error reporting is pretty 'lite', IMO. If you find specific cases where Evolution's error reporting is insufficient to ac

Re: [Evolution] PKCS11 in evolution

2010-10-31 Thread David Woodhouse
module there > too). The latter (~/.pki/nssdb) was the right one. I'd try debugging the certificate availability with nss-gui and the NSS command line tools first. If it's working in NSS then we'll look at Evolution. -- David WoodhouseOpen Source

Re: [Evolution] CalDAV problem

2010-11-12 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 08:06 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 11:34 -0300, Dennis Drapeau wrote: > > The problem is when I try to import an *.ics file within Evolution to > > the CalDAV calendar --- it appears to work without any warnings but then > > only every other event successfu

Re: [Evolution] Evolution stops responding when retrievingmessagesfrom imap.qq.com

2010-11-13 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 09:20 +0800, heyan wrote: > Yeah I have tried several mail clients: Thunderbird, Kmail and > Sylpheed. They all works properly. So there must be some problem > between evolution and imap.qq.com. Whatever mail client you *are* using is also broken -- it's not correctly mark

Re: [Evolution] Evolution stops responding whenretrievingmessagesfrom imap.qq.com

2010-11-21 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 12:12 +0800, heyan wrote: > Thanks for your help. I just tried "evolution CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx", > which showed "EI: MAIL PREFS" immediately. Then nothing happened,even > the evolution window did not appear. The version of Evolution is > 2.30.3, and the protocol setting is confir

Re: [Evolution] Evolution and NTLM v2

2011-02-23 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 07:31 +, Milan Juricek wrote: > i`d like to ask you... Does Evolution support NTLM v2? Or when will > this feature be implemented in the GAL authentication? > Now we are using Evo + Exchange plug-in (Exchange 2k3) and only GAL+ > NTLM v1 works. But this concept is not acc

Re: [Evolution] Evolution and NTLM v2

2011-03-01 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 10:15 +, Milan Juricek wrote: > > we have workstations joined to the M$ domain... (SLED 11 SP1 desktops) > but Evo requires password :( I mean that Evo does not use > (support) /usr/bin/ntlm_auth... Right. Instead of just fixing Evo to do NTLM v2 for itself, we should f

Re: [Evolution] Evolution and NTLM v2

2011-03-04 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:45 +, Milan Juricek wrote: > and is it possible to use ldap over ssl in the GAL? If yes, how? No idea, I'm afraid. I would have expected so, but I've never actually managed to Evolution with LDAP working against our corporate Exchange servers. -- dwmw2

Re: [Evolution] evolution won't show email

2011-03-06 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:30 -0700, brad haack wrote: > Ok, I found ~/.evolution/mail/imap and deleted the folder there. When > I restarted Evolution it looked good. I quit Evolution and started it > and now back to square one. No messages. Don't top-post. Replies live *below* the citation, w

Re: [Evolution] Evolution and NTLM v2

2011-03-16 Thread David Woodhouse
SSION flag */ + ret->data[NTLM_RESPONSE_FLAGS_OFFSET + 2] |= + token->data[NTLM_CHALLENGE_FLAGS_OFFSET + 2] & 8; ntlm_set_string (ret, NTLM_RESPONSE_DOMAIN_OFFSET, domain->str, domain->len); -- Dav

Re: [Evolution] Evolution and NTLM v2

2011-03-17 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 08:54 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > [Off-topic] > > On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 08:09 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > > By the way, it's usually better to attach patches (either to bugzilla or > > to an email), to avoid issues which can be added by clients when > > decoding and showing

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