Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-11 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> -EVSEs have safety interlocks that prevent EVs from > going into drive while charging Actually, the J1722 protocols don't say anything about defeating vehicle motion. If such an inhibit feature is implemented, it's taking place in the vehicle's circuits sensing that the charging handle is in

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
In terms of costs... -how much of EV driver grocery bills went to pay for fuel rewards perks programs that give 10-20-30 cents off per gallon? (Now if only I could apply fuel rewards perks as credit on an EVSE...) -how much of urban bicyclist grocery bills went to pay for large parking lots, lot

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> They're looking at it wrong. They're not giving away free fuel, they're > encouraging people to use EVs. That saves the city, and its taxpayers, > money in the long run. Hypocrisy Alert! This same utility offers rebates for home EVSE installation, has held multiple EV demonstrations in vario

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 10 Jul 2022 at 13:15, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > Management thought that is was discriminatory to provide free fuel to > some customers, and not others, They're looking at it wrong. They're not giving away free fuel, they're encouraging people to use EVs. That saves the city, and its taxpa

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> requires both public and private locations where EV > charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor > vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge The local electric utility (it's a PUD) installed two free 30 Amp EVSE pedestals at their office in town some time back.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread Robert Johnston via EV
Use a locker-style coin operated lock - Insert a quarter (or even just a penny as a fuck you) to unlock the charging plug. Then you're charging for the use of the EVSE, and you don't have to provide anything to ICEs. On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 01:27, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 9 Jul 2022 at 2

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-10 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 9 Jul 2022 at 21:13, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump? > Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas > every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required Well, you don't have to hand-crank a generator to cha

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
er" Sent: 09-Jul-22 21:13:58 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump? Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required install

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump? Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required install, I doubt you will lose a gallon of gas a month through that pump, even though it dispenses at the same rate

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread paul dove via EV
can offer the public. Mark -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2022 4:52 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EV List Lackey Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging On 9

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I am speculating, but I do live in central NC and have 5.6KW on my roof since 2013. Duke Power wants to get rid of all the promotional stuff for solar power here. I have been on net metering 1:1 getting paid the same as I pay. They are trying to end that. Some years ago they proposed paying us $0.0

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Mark Grasser via EV
PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EV List Lackey Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging On 9 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > That's pretty regressive. Ya think? :-\ > Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
I hear what you are saying but I don't think it is that regressive. I think of it more along the lines of getting rid of "Free Gasoline" as the number of ICE vehicles increases. You have to make those gasoline stations self supporting and maintainable. A "fill up" of electrons is not that expens

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 9 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > That's pretty regressive. Ya think? :-\ > Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum > industry ? Could be. It might also be modern politics. I refuse to get into partisan stuff here, but there's a certain (often you

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

2022-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
That's pretty regressive. Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum industry ? :) Fortunately, that's an extreme case among the states. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EV List Lackey via EV" To: ev