[DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
publication of various forms of contact. The intended purpose is to provide a faster means of reliable contact for professionals, cyber-defense of domains. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
reuse (even though it was junk info) to track and enumerate election information operations. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 8

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
deployed in a meaningful way to get access to this data. Hence this proposal, which I harbor no illusions is a second-best to an independent third party making this available in a way usable by systems in a programmatic fashion. The best way just isn’t going to happen. — John Bambenek On July 1st

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
have to compromise two separate systems. What is best is independent third-party verification but we don’t get that and we won’t. So, here we are. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
Yes, bifurcation of whois is a problem. I’d rather it all be in one place, but that door was closed and not by me. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
. Reputation and contact-ability intersect in this use case in my mind. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 8, 2019, at 17:14, Patrick Mevzek

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-08 Thread John Bambenek
Below — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 8, 2019, at 20:01, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jul 2019, John Bambenek wr

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 05:09, Vittorio Bertola wrote: > >> Il 9 luglio 2019 00:01 John

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 08:32, Jim Reid wrote: >> On 8 Jul 2019, at 22:38, John Ba

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below On 7/9/19 9:25 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > On 9 Jul 2019, at 10:07, John Bambenek > wrote: > >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 08:32, Jim Reid wrote: >> >>> 2. These policy problems are out of scope for the IETF. It deals with >>> technical and operational matter

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below On 7/9/19 9:28 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:07 AM, John Bambenek > <mailto:jcb=40bambenekconsulting@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: >> But ICANN won’t allow such a system with meaningful data, so here we >> are.  > > The question you should be

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
> Hello everyone, > > Jim Reid wrote: > > > BTW, whois was originally intended to provide a way to publish > > out-of-band contact data so the domain holder could be > > contacted whenever their DNS or email was broken. Putting this > > info in the DNS would defeat that. > > Implementation details

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
This might be worthy discussing > in the draft.  > > > Rubens > > > > >> Em 8 de jul de 2019, à(s) 18:38:000, John Bambenek >> > <mailto:jcb=40bambenekconsulting@dmarc.ietf.org>> escreveu: >> >> All- >> >> In response to

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
This is true with DKIM today which uses a label. On 7/9/19 10:05 AM, Jim Reid wrote: > >> On 9 Jul 2019, at 15:50, John Bambenek >> wrote: >> >> I'm not married to any name, I chose WHOIS for historical reasons. We can >> call it _hamsandwich if it buil

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below On 7/9/19 10:07 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > Hi John, > > On 9 Jul 2019, at 10:36, John Bambenek wrote: > >> If the proposal is to create a standard by which to put contact >> information into DNS records, what venue would you suggest? > I think that the protocol as

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
> Hi :-) > > John Bambenek wrote: > >> That said, I agree it cannot solve GDPR or other policy concerns. > > > Why? GDPR applies to IP addresses, that doesn't impact DNS yet. > > You appear to have confused IP with P(I)I: personally identifying > infor

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Not intended to debate, per se. On 7/9/19 10:21 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > As far as I can tell, you are deflecting my serious concerns rather > than responding to them.   I’m asking you to describe an actual > situation where the information you want us to publish would (a) be > published and (b) /ac

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
> Hello, > > John Bambenek > wrote: > >> All whois data is PII, in the case where people register > >> individual details, as opposed to organizational roles. I think > >> you may need to do a bit more research on this topic, you seem to > >> have m

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
On 7/9/19 11:00 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, John Bambenek > <mailto:jcb=40bambenekconsulting@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: >> You assume I'm going to create a huge database, I am not. I would >> envision doing something like if you send

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
On 7/9/19 10:27 AM, Jim Reid wrote: >> John Bambenek wrote: >> >>> Why? GDPR applies to IP addresses that, doesn't impact DNS yet. > GDPR applies to *any* data which identifies a living European citizen. > > If you think it only applies to IP addresses you ar

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
On 7/9/19 11:09 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:03 PM, John Bambenek > <mailto:jcb=40bambenekconsulting@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: >> I cannot coerce anything. I represent nothing that represents even a >> molecule of the network to coerce or enforce

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Yes, I can do that. On 7/9/19 11:12 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, John Bambenek wrote: > >> On 7/9/19 11:00 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>   On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, John Bambenek >> wrote: >>     You assume I'm going to create a

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
I generally agree with this and have no problem deferring to an effort to create a dictionary of registration data elements and agreed upon definitions. I gave serious thought to just making the current proposal have one contact class, I kept several more for consistency with the legacy system, bu

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
; Il 9 luglio 2019 16:36 John Bambenek >> ha scritto: >> >>> I agree with pretty much everything else Jim said, but really this seems >>> like the core issue: this seems like a proposal in the wrong venue. >> If the proposal is to create a standard by which t

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
> John Bambenek > wrote: > > > But is the risk to self-identification as present when > > role-based accounts could be used as opposed to PII? I guess > > I'm not understanding the risks of people accidentally > > disclosing what they don't intend to. &

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
there be one created? On 7/9/19 1:21 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 9, 2019, at 2:04 PM, John Bambenek > <mailto:jcb=40bambenekconsulting@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: >> Can't this be mitigated by any number of forms of user education? > > The evidence is crystal cl

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 15:51, Jim Reid wrote: >> On 9 Jul 2019, at 17:43, John Ba

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 16:21, Brian Dickson wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
it. Why should this service be special in that regard? — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 09:46, Paul Vixie wrote

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
Below. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 19:13, Paul Vixie wrote: >> On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 21:56:49 UT

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-09 Thread John Bambenek
— John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details On Jul 9, 2019, at 19:41, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > John Bambenek wrote on 2019-07

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-10 Thread John Bambenek
to contact a domain owner for something that doesn’t exist (aside of domain renewal spam or trying to buy the domain). Am I missing something? — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-10 Thread John Bambenek
support free form text fields so can support this with no additional work. The idea here was to develop something using services people already run with functionality that already exists. The only “new” here is a standard way to structure the information. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-10 Thread John Bambenek
This is my understanding as well as the approach and legal assumption I used in creating this draft. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com for details

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-10 Thread John Bambenek
disclosure and allow role-based info. That’s not the only approach. It just seemed logical to me to tackle it that way. — John Bambenek On July 1st, 2019, my DGA feeds are converting to a CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license which means commercial use will require a license. Contact sa...@bambenekconsulting.com

Re: [DNSOP] Proposal: Whois over DNS

2019-07-10 Thread John Bambenek
And the existing system is not consistently formatted, this would create a parseable and consistent standard. And would bypass GDPR concerns by registries. On 7/10/19 3:14 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Philip, > > On Jul 10, 2019, at 6:24 AM, Philip Homburg > mailto:pch-dnso...@u-1.phicoh.com>> wrote