Re: [DNSOP] New draft for helping browsers use the DoH server associated with a resolver

2018-08-31 Thread John Dickinson
Hi Paul, Just trying to read this draft in detail and I find section 3 a bit confusing. You use terms such as client and resolver but at times it is not clear if you are referring to the OS stub, a third party stub, caching resolver, application or browser. Maybe using terms from your termino

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: > §2" > - Definition of "Domain Name": I don't profess to be a naming expert, but this > definition doesn't seem very satisfying. It was unsatisfying to everyone, but deemed better than the nothing that we had before this. It would be grand if so

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > IMPORTANT > S 6. >>[RFC5358] >> >> Split DNS: The terms "split DNS" and "split-horizon DNS" have long >>been used in the DNS community without formal definition. In >>general, they refer to situations in which DNS s

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Adam Roach wrote: > General: > > The document seems to omit a definition for the term "class," although it is > used in many places an clearly has a very precise meaning in DNS parlance. It > would be nice to see one added, as I got a bit confused when I hit the > def

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
Ekr pinged me in Jabber after I sent this, and I wanted to clarify something bigger-picture on this document. We know that there are a number of definitions that are not clear. In the WG discussion, we tried hard to get them clarified, and often met resistance in the form of "I have always thoug

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Eric Rescorla
That's understandable. I think it would be most helpful to somehow tag those cases so that the reader can see that they are ambiguous rather than just rereading and being confused. -Ekr On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Ekr pinged me in Jabber after I sent this, and I want

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Ben Campbell
That all looks fine, thanks! Ben. > On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Ben Campbell wrote: >> §2" >> - Definition of "Domain Name": I don't profess to be a naming expert, but >> this >> definition doesn't seem very satisfying. > > It was unsati

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Adam Roach
On 8/31/18 11:10 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Adam Roach wrote: General: The document seems to omit a definition for the term "class," although it is used in many places an clearly has a very precise meaning in DNS parlance. It would be nice to see one added, as I got a

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 31 Aug 2018, at 14:47, Adam Roach wrote: §5: Owner: The domain name where a RR is found ([RFC1034], Section 3.6). Nit: "...an RR..." (see RFC 7322 §1, CMOS 10.9) There too. In that case, this definition appears to be missing quotation marks. Good point. Added. -