Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-* drafts latest revisions

2018-10-10 Thread Adam Roach
On 10/10/18 9:33 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: The datatracker entries are: DNS Scoped Data Through "Underscore" Naming of Attribute Leaves https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf/ Just to make sure you catch them in your audit, the following entries are still missin

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-* drafts latest revisions

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
Folks, Based on the latest round of comments, I've submitted revised versions of the two drafts, mostly so that their diffs would be easily obtained. I didn't do the careful, fine-grained review and audit of the changes that will be needed, since I-D numbers are cheap and I figured convenien

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-05.txt

2018-10-10 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Attrleaf Changes: Fixing Specifications with Underscored Node Name Use Author : Dave Croc

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-14.txt

2018-10-10 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Scoped Data Through "Underscore" Naming of Attribute Leaves Author : Dave Crocker

[DNSOP] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Ben Campbell
Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to ht

[DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refe

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Hi, Dave, On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:52 PM Dave Crocker wrote: > On 10/10/2018 4:38 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > i can live with that. > > > >> > >> which is one heck of a lot of "resource record types" in the same, short > >> paragraph. > > > > truth hurts. > > mumble. drat. that's two in favor, wh

[DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with DISCUSS)

2018-10-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 2:09 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: One other comment, in Section 3.1: Why is the new text only placing a "SHOULD be registered" requirement, as opposed to MUST? It permits use-before-registration, which avoids registration as a barrier to adoption. There is essentially no real r

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 4:38 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: i can live with that. which is one heck of a lot of "resource record types" in the same, short paragraph. truth hurts. mumble. drat. that's two in favor, which for this topic rates as overwhelming consensus. sigh. k. if you insist...

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Paul Vixie
Dave Crocker wrote: which I believe is fully clear, given that there does not appear to me to be any candidate for intepreting 'one' other than 'resource record type', but worse, making the change you suggest would produce: DNS data semantics have been limited to the specification of par

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 3:40 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this int

Re: [DNSOP] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:18 PM Dave Crocker wrote: > Eric, > > On 10/9/2018 7:23 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > >> However some services have defined an operational convention, > which > >> applies to DNS leaf nodes that are under a DNS branch having one > or > >> more reserved nod

Re: [DNSOP] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
Eric, On 10/9/2018 7:23 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: However some services have defined an operational convention, which applies to DNS leaf nodes that are under a DNS branch having one or more reserved node names, each beginning with an _underscore. The underscored naming c

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 5:15 AM "Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)" < i...@kuehlewind.net> wrote: > Hi Warren, hi Ted, > > sorry I was on holidays a couple of days last week and am completely > behind everything. Will try to have a look as soon as possible. Maybe > Friday or next week… > Ok, thank you. Not

[DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
Alissa, On 10/10/2018 2:48 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: On 10/10/2018 10:52 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: I think this document needs to state explicitly which updates apply to which existing RFCs. That is, I would expect to see in sections 2.1, 2.2, an

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Hi Dave, > On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > On 10/10/2018 10:52 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >> I think this document needs to state explicitly which updates apply to which >> existing RFCs. That is, I would expect to see in sections 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3 >> the list of which docume

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 10:52 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: I think this document needs to state explicitly which updates apply to which existing RFCs. That is, I would expect to see in sections 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3 the list of which documents are updated by each section. I realize this can be intuited, but typic

[DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 12:54 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: The Gen-ART review for attrleaf is athttps://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/dq-cwawY1UqoGJWFUxQPuWv0oPc. hmmm. I see that its addressing should have reached me but I'm not finding a copy in my mail archive. Thanks for the pointer: From: E

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Hi Dave, > On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > On 10/10/2018 10:03 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >> I agree with Alexey. It seems like the expert is being asked to do the review >> that IANA would typically do itself. > > Point taken. However, there was wg discussion about the cho

Re: [DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 10:03 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: I agree with Alexey. It seems like the expert is being asked to do the review that IANA would typically do itself. Point taken. However, there was wg discussion about the choice and it landed on this. I'll await either wg or iesg direction for sp

Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 11:52 AM, Adam Roach wrote: I think this reply covers everything that warranted a specific response except for the questions in the following three comments, which are asking specifically about URI RRs: Drat. Sorry. I'll blame it on limited screen real estate while traveling,

Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Adam Roach
On 10/10/18 8:51 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: Responding to your additional comments... Thanks! I think this reply covers everything that warranted a specific response except for the questions in the following three comments, which are asking specifically about URI RRs: Comment 1: Was the rem

Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Adam Roach
On 10/10/18 8:51 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: If I am reading 6763 correctly, in terms of 'global' underscored use and distinguishing its 'hypotheticals' from actual usage, it only reserves _tcp and _udp.  (For example, its use of _ipp is second-level and therefore not global.) That's my reading

Re: [DNSOP] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Francesa, thanks for your review. Dave, thanks for your responses. I entered a DISCUSS ballot based on the issue raised about unused citations. Typically the abstract does contain an explanation of the document(s) being updated. In this case the list is so long that I’m not sure it’s worth it.

[DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to ht

Re: [DNSOP] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Erik, thanks for your review. I have entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Erik Kline > wrote: > > Reviewer: Erik Kline > Review result: Ready with Nits > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all I

[DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to h

Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
Responding to your additional comments... On 10/8/2018 11:43 PM, Adam Roach wrote: Echoing comments from my review of draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf: I believe this document needs to also include RFC 6763 and RFC 4386; and that it should not include RFC 6733. Please see that review for details. R

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 8:43 AM, "Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)" wrote: However re-consider the appropriate intended status for this doc! I assume that is still something that the IESG resolves, independent of whatever is on the draft. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net __

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)
Hi Dave, no I didn’t see that mail (quite a bit behind mail at the moment) but looked it up now. I have to say the argument of have a clean registry doc is not that convincing for me but it this fine. However re-consider the appropriate intended status for this doc! Mirja > Am 10.10.2018 um

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/10/2018 7:26 AM, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: I don't quite understand why it was seen as beneficial by the group that this doc has been split up, Did you see the note I posted yesterday about this (in the context of having the base refer to the -fix, but including an explanation for the spl

Re: [DNSOP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 10/9/2018 3:33 PM, Adam Roach wrote: That's a fair point. I still believe that this arrangement makes the situation as it pertains to URL RRs worse rather than better, but I'm willing to call myself in the rough here. If another AD sees fit to DISCUSS this issue, I will support them. But I'l

[DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refe

[DNSOP] Taking IPv4 GeoIP into account for IPv6 GeoIP

2018-10-10 Thread Davey Song
Hi all, Recently I'm engaged in a project on the issue of IPv6 GeoIP for a large Internet company. IPv6 GeoIP is identified as an notable chanllge to mitigate their Geolocation-based application to IPv6. I come up with a idea to summarize the existing practice and propsed technologies into a infor

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)
Hi Warren, hi Ted, sorry I was on holidays a couple of days last week and am completely behind everything. Will try to have a look as soon as possible. Maybe Friday or next week… Mirja > Am 09.10.2018 um 16:51 schrieb Warren Kumari : > > Mirja -- checking in again. > > W > > On Tue, Oct 2