http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/05/07/the-very-uneven-distribution-of-dns-root-servers-on-the-internet/
Technically very interesting (many numbers) but the author does not
seem to know how the root name servers are managed.
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That article and those graphics will be used and abused in hundreds of other
articles. So anything that's wrong will become part of the collective memory ..
Gotta love the internet :)
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On 15 May 2012, at 08:23, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/05/07/the-very-uneven-distribution-of-dns-root-servers-on-the-internet/
Technically very interesting (many numbers) but the author does not
seem to know how the root name servers are managed.
Sigh. The author o
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:28:54AM +,
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote
a message of 43 lines which said:
> That article and those graphics will be used and abused in hundreds
> of other articles. So anything that's wrong will become part of the
> collective memory ..
That's why it is i
On 15 May 2012, at 09:57, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>>
>
> That's why it is important that people who Know comment Intelligently
> on the blog (you do not need a Pingdom account, it works with
> Twitter.evil, Facebook.evil and OpenID.open accounts).
Though if it's like the bitly thing last ye
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:46:36AM +0100,
Jim Reid wrote
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> The author of this piece doesn't seem to know much.
I suggest that the people who Know comment on the blog to explain (I
do not suggest to do it at IGF or ITU where it would be useless,
because peopl
On 15 maj 2012, at 11:14, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> Asking for fairness and equity (for IP addresses or
> root name servers) seem reasonable to me.
The devil is in the details. Network elements should on the Internet be
distributed according to network topology. Secondly, "equity" regarding
Interesting article, nice chart and graphics, persuasive analysis, but the
conclusion...
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On May 15, 2012, at 4:57 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:28:54AM +,
> Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote
> a message of 43 lines which said:
>
>> That article and those graphics will be used and abused in hundreds
>> of other articles. So anything that's wrong w
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:27:57AM -0400,
Warren Kumari wrote
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> if no-one had poked the troll it would be asleep again
It is not a troll, it is an interesting paper, with original data.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:27:57AM -0400,
> Warren Kumari wrote
> a message of 35 lines which said:
>
>> if no-one had poked the troll it would be asleep again
>
> It is not a troll, it is an interesting paper, with original data
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:12:00AM -0400,
McTim wrote
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> One wonders where the data came from
Last line of the paper.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:46:36AM +0100, Jim Reid wrote:
> On 15 May 2012, at 08:23, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>
> >http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/05/07/the-very-uneven-distribution-of-dns-root-servers-on-the-internet/
> >
> >Technically very interesting (many numbers) but the author does not
> >
On May 15, 2012, at 11:00 , Suzanne Woolf wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:46:36AM +0100, Jim Reid wrote:
>> On 15 May 2012, at 08:23, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>>
>>> http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/05/07/the-very-uneven-distribution-of-dns-root-servers-on-the-internet/
>>>
>>> Technically ver
>> > BTW "fair and equitable" is one of those unfortunate phrases that gets
>> > Internet governance types very excited, not always in a good way: eg
>> > "fair and equitable" distribution of IP addresses.
the alternative allocation model is the market price model, e.g.,
meuller and others, m
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
> On 15 maj 2012, at 11:14, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>
> > Asking for fairness and equity (for IP addresses or
> > root name servers) seem reasonable to me.
>
> The devil is in the details. Network elements should on the Internet be
> d
At 10:12 -0400 5/15/12, McTim wrote:
One wonders where the data came from and how up to date it is.
To me the question is the accuracy of the following statement in the
article, not the precise numbers themselves:
"One would imagine that if all things were equal, the distribution of
root s
On 15 May 2012, at 17:24, Edward Lewis wrote:
> Asia has 20M people per server. Oceania has 1.5M
Topological compactness might matter ...
/Niall
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On 5/15/2012 12:23 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/05/07/the-very-uneven-distribution-of-dns-root-servers-on-the-internet/
>
> Technically very interesting (many numbers) but the author does not
> seem to know how the root name servers are managed.
I've read the thr
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:24:35PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote:
> To me the question is the accuracy of the following statement in the
> article, not the precise numbers themselves:
>
> "One would imagine that if all things were equal, the distribution
> of root servers should mirror the distributio
> I think a much better metric, but one that would be impossibly difficult to
> pin down or get data for, would be looking at the average number of hops
> between ISPs caching servers and their closest root server.
Hops are irrelevant. Latency, packetloss, throughput (some people call all
thre
At 08:00 15-05-2012, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
It speaks of "users," and appears to be assuming that there's some
relationship between "has more users" and "needs more root server
capacity" on a regional (multiple countries, large network scale) basis.
I don't necessarily believe this, but the questi
http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Odd+DNS+replies+from+10+nets+and+RFC1323+impacting+firewalls/13216
The text is difficult to understand (how can he says that packets come
from the DNS root name servers if the source IP address is in
10.0.0.0/8?). Anyone has an idea?
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On May 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> The text is difficult to understand (how can he says that packets come
> from the DNS root name servers if the source IP address is in
> 10.0.0.0/8?). Anyone has an idea?
Perhaps he means the responses look like the kind of referral you'
On 5/15/2012 5:03 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> ... This kind of worry (and I want to emphasise I don't share it; I'm
> just pointing out that people who like to worry about this sort of
> thing have an argument) could be addressed by various server operators
> providing outlines of how they select
On May 14, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Jim Reid wrote:
> So now people with clue may well have to spend even more time at IGF, ITU and
> the like to explain why this article is flawed.
Yep. It would be nice if somebody neutral and technically well-respected
(DNS-OARC?) were to write up a less flawed arti
Stephane,
On May 14, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> BTW "fair and equitable" is one of those unfortunate phrases that
>> gets Internet governance types very excited, not always in a good
>> way: eg "fair and equitable" distribution of IP addresses.
>
> We disagree here. Asking f
Todd,
On May 15, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Todd S wrote:
>>> Asking for fairness and equity (for IP addresses or root name servers) seem
>>> reasonable to me.
>> The devil is in the details. Network elements should on the Internet be
>> distributed according to network topology. .
While I agree, the co
On 16 maj 2012, at 01:56, David Conrad wrote:
> Asking for 'fairness and equity' is indeed reasonable. The problem is
> defining (and getting consensus on) what 'fair and equitable' actually means,
> particularly in an IGF/ITU/ICANN context...
It is different depending on context. And while s
On 5/15/2012 4:56 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> In the context of this blog posting, I personally think having folks (ISPs in
> particular) pre-fetch/mirror the root zone in their caches is the right
> answer to pretty much any useful definition of "fair and equitable" related
> to serving the root
On 5/15/2012 11:56 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> ... In the context of this blog posting, I personally think having
> folks (ISPs in particular) pre-fetch/mirror the root zone in their
> caches is the right answer to pretty much any useful definition of
> "fair and equitable" related to serving the roo
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