On 07/08/2016 05:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote:
Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
It was a real video footage
Peter Olson wrote:
> What happens with
>
> a = b((7, c[3)])
Unless it's a really strange syntax, IMO that should throw up an error when it
hits the ")" after the "3".
Taking a step back a few messages, under what conditions would it not work to
recurse down each time an opening tag is found
Is there anything going on with devuan.org domain name? Did I miss an
announcement of down time?
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Oh... My ISP is . Thanks for the heads up.
Simon
On 07/11/2016 10:13 AM, Ozi Traveller wrote:
It's ok here.
Ozi
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Simon Walter mailto:si...@gikaku.com>> wrote:
Is there anything going on with devuan.org <http://devuan.org>
domain
.34|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
Retrying.
Though I am pretty sure the admins and devs are aware of this. Perhaps
more BETA rumbles.
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On 07/12/2016 05:20 AM, Linux O'Beardly wrote:
Alright, the Amprolla host is back up. Apparently, we had a power
outage and it shutdown. Obviously, being out of town, I wasn't there to
power it back up. Let me know if you all have any issues.
Thank you!
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On 07/12/2016 06:06 AM, Jaromil wrote:
Mostly for historical reasons, I'm posting here below the trace of a
Kali Linux bug that has just been deleted from their tracker.
Forensic distros are useful for many reasons. When minimal they can be
also more reliable, I guess most people here convenes.
ow I would maybe need to make my own local mirrors in
case of this kind of trouble in the future.
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On 07/12/2016 08:45 PM, vmlinux wrote:
There was a time when this sort of nonsense was heavily frowned upon. i suspect
what has happened is that the user base has changed. it's difficult to learn
the ropes from the cli so GUI allows the novice to do things quickly because
the only skill needed
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/07/13/automotive_grade_linux_version_/#c_2916902
In the comments to this article :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/13/automotive_grade_linux_version_/
> Pimp your ride with new Linux for cars and an rPi under the hood
> Automotive Grade Linux va
dev wrote:
> I mention all this becuase I took the "deb 8" pinning challenge today
> and it failed miserably.
I tried something similar not long ago. It "almost" worked except that one
component of Clamav that the server in question needs has a dependency on
libsystemd0. The response from the
Jaromil wrote:
>> Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what '--with-systemd' was
>> for. It has now degenerated into a discussion on how to get systemd to start
>> the 'samba' deamon,
There's also been a short thread on the MythTV mailing list about how to get
the MythTV Frontend
Jaromil wrote:
> So if you visit daily this page https://distrowatch.com/devuan and
> even set it as homepage on your computers, then this will definitely
> help us putting the word out about Devuan. We can always use more
> visibility and DW is an excellent avenue for that.
Done - set as my hom
Rick Moen wrote:
> For completeness, I'll mention that, if a Debian 8 'Jessie' or Debian 9
> 'Stretch' system does end up suffering packager-caused intrusion of
> systemd into important packages (for some value of 'important' ;-> ),
> then I can confidently predict that alternative packages in th
Rick Moen wrote:
> An unused, inert library is a trojan?
You didn't read what I wrote did you ?
It may be "inert" now - well actually it isn't completely inert if it's being
called by packages with gratuitous dependencies on it* - but as I said, there
is zero guarantee that it won't remain "in
s questionable.
I am not looking for an answer to this email. I hope it helps you
understand one of possibly many (ex)Debian users.
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list willing to help you
and guide you. Read "How to Become a Hacker." It might help you
understand the world you are interacting with. Why are you even posting
C code here. Go post your code on a site dedicated to C. I think you
will hav
Rick Moen wrote:
> 'Doing' something that is functionally indistinguishable from doing
> nothing. And a '000' rights mask would be fully effective paranoia
> insurance.
Present tense and gaffer tape. Of course, any libsystemd package update will
rip that gaffer tape off so it's one more thing
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> At first, I was tempted to follow the path of writing obfuscated code,
> but thinking about it, with todays huge computers, it simple doesn't
> make sense to write difficult to read code. In the past there was an
> advantage of writing such code that saved on code size as
Has anyone had experience with the packages on debmon.org? I want to use
icingaweb2. Any tips or gotchas with their repos? It looks like
icingaweb2 is also in sid. Not sure which is more recent. icinga-web (1)
is just a "web app". So I may just download it from icinga's we
On 15 Jul 2016, at 18:10, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Are you serious network isn't started before user login? This is... You can't
> be serious. Link please?
Ah, I'd mis-rembered the thread. The frontend was consistently not starting.
http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2016-July/387
Rick Moen wrote:
I think we're arguing in violent agreement - there is more than one way to
approach the issue, more than one attitude to "risk", and what works for one
person isn't necessarily what works for someone else. Isn't that a key tenet of
the FOSS way - the freedom of choice ?
> We
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> That said, I find it immensely convenient that someone else is
> providing me with a systemd-free distro that's a natural
> continuation of the Debian I've been using for years.
+1
> What's left is a matter of taste.
> There's no point arguig about taste.
And +1 again.
er hitting enter, mysql fails to start.
It's obviously a communication error, because the server is not even
running according to the log. Why the database is not created is what I
am not able to understand.
Any ideas?
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On 07/17/2016 01:01 PM, Simon Walter wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I
have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem
specific to Devuan.
Basic description of problem:
After unpacking and setting up the pac
o two package maintainers.
Thanks for reminding me of mariadb.
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hat we
need to learn. Being intentional is what counts.
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You are whinny and ungrateful. If you are to make friends, you must show
yourself friendly.
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Steve Litt wrote:
>> Gaffer tape and {duct|duck} tape are different products. Gaffer tape
>> is less adhesive and is designed to be removed easily. It is more
>> expensive :-)
Ah yes, you are correct - but few sellers give enough information to decide
what is what.
>> If you have ever used t
ve on. If not, I've got gafer tape in
place. Actually it's probably more like chewing gum...!
Cheers,
Simon
On 07/18/2016 08:11 PM, Matthew Melton wrote:
Replying to myself:
http://docs.slackware.com/howtos:databases:install_mariadb_on_slackware
Is probably the order I had to do t
On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi,
Simon Walker wrote:
<<
Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck?
You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can
unde
fferent login manager if
SLiM is not to your liking. Or has systemd crept into the rest of them?
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On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
...
All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant today is IMO
bullshit.
...
Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind.
There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
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Rick Moen wrote:
>> So it does look as if libsystemd0 does do something.
>
> That doesn't logically follow. My guesstimate is that some GNOME
> plumbing is checking for some library function before it offers
> the user 'removable drives [...] on the desktop'. For libsystemd0
> library functio
On 07/19/2016 04:17 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Simon Walter writes:
>> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind.
>> There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
>
> Quite likely he might, he's not stupid a
On 07/19/2016 05:29 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
Simon Walter writes:
Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
Quite likely he might, he's
Rick Moen wrote:
> Remember that bit I posted about how /usr/bin/ssh makes dynamic library
> calls to sonames of two Kerberos libraries, even on the overwhelming
> majority of systems that do not implement Kerberos?
...
> 'Trust' in the sense you use the word just isn't in that.
But it is.
Have
Didier Kryn wrote:
>I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and
> severall grapical cards connected to the same host. It certainly does not
> include serial terminals. Serial terminal fall in the category "multi-user",
> like ssh connections, not "multi-seat".
Didier Kryn wrote:
>I don't understand all your explanations, sorry :-) . I understood the
> concept of "seat" as the combo you describe (graphics-keyboard-mouse).
>
> If the concept of "seat" includes serial terminals, I see no reason to not
> include remote logins: until the middle of
Rick Moen wrote:
> This is a bit silly
TBH, I'm finding most of your argument a bit silly too. So we might as well
drop it
>> It comes back to - how much is it "programmers are lazy" vs how much
>> is "well actually it is real work".
>
> Please figure that out and report back to us. I'll ma
Jaromil wrote:
>> So, does anyone know if it's "hard" to use a library in a "see if
>> it's there and don't use it if it isn't" way rather than "just use
>> it and blow up if it's not there" which seems to be the norm ?
>
> it is not hard at all. in fact one can simply dlopen(3)
OK, so that's g
On 07/20/2016 05:19 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote:
Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and
coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected
Devuan's fan
same font/color as the Fn key.
I suspect you wanted to press Fn + Del + whatever other keys you need.
(Sorry wasn't following the conversation in detail).
Hope that helps,
Simon
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It's nothing serious. I just noticed this and though to myself, "Why all
the trouble? What a bother!"
/etc/default/openvpn:
# This is the configuration file for /etc/init.d/openvpn
#
# Start only these VPNs automatically via init script.
# Allowed values are "all", "none" or space separated lis
On 07/23/2016 05:42 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit :
For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it
in some way, even when it was unnecessary.
I sometimes use multithreading, but never mutexes. Mutex can be harmless
if there's only one. O
On 07/23/2016 06:01 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 23/07/2016 10:49, Simon Walter a écrit :
On 07/23/2016 05:42 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit :
For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it
in some way, even when it was unnecessary.
I
out systemd. So it's a good
guide. However, I did find some things to vague. I had no idea what was
going on. Which is when I went to look for more info.
Simon
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I've come to the conclusion that "fast boot" can be counter productive.
SWMBO has a Windows laptop that's quite quick to get to the login screen, but
from the disk activity indicator it's clear it's not actually booted - just
prioritised getting to that screen. I still haven't trained her to wai
On 07/25/2016 01:31 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that "fast boot" can be counter productive.
SWMBO has a Windows laptop that's quite quick to get to the login screen, but from the
disk activity indicator it's clear it's not actually booted
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
>
>> To re-iterate this:
>
> [more very strangely worded, difficult-to-parse prose, seemingly alleging
> that library libsystemd0 can be used to insert 'calls' into unrelated
> applications -- which assertion in my view does
Rick Moen wrote:
>> With a lib, is there any code or is it *JUST* a set of symbols ?
> This is a pretty good introduction to how libraries work and what they
> can contain:
> http://www.skyfree.org/linux/references/ELF_Format.pdf
Thanks, a bit heavy going for me at this time in the morning !
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> A library can do anything the executable can.
Which is what I thought.
So when someone states that "it's just a library, it doesn't do anything" then
that needs taking with a pinch of salt because once anything calls one of it's
functions, then that library can do lot
Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> OK, so what makes libsystemd different from libc, which comes from the same
>> source? libc is stored in the same directory on the same debian servers...
>
> It is a matter of trust, not of what is technically feasible.
Exactly
> Does one trust the libc developers more t
To expand a bit on what I wrote earlier - now it's finally condensed into
something resembling a coherent thought.
Suppose, with SystemD running they decided to break normal syslog calls. Ie,
they made it so that a program could not call syslog, but instead had to use a
SystemD call. Given the
you have these evangelicals and
journalists screaming for "the year of the linux desktop".
I have a question about what Simon Richter said on his
blog(http://www.simonrichter.eu/blog/2016-03-03-why-sysvinit.html):
"Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with f
On 07/26/2016 12:28 PM, Brad Campbell wrote:
On 26/07/16 10:27, Simon Walter wrote:
Is that really the case? Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out
what their users wanted and who were their typical users?
Desktop/personal vs. server/professional?
yes/no?
Did they consult their
On 07/26/2016 03:45 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the
desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but
the water is under the bridge and the damage has already
On 07/26/2016 04:27 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Simon Walker wrote:
<<
Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the
lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support
Debian's
Rick Moen wrote:
>> OK, that's what I thought, which is at odds with some comments that have
>> been made.
>
> Well, if you're referring to 'comments that have been made' about
> libsystemd0, the more useful (IMO) comments characterised what is
> actually present in that library, that it contai
On 07/26/2016 06:09 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users
wanted and who were their typical users?
To the based of my recollection, no.
To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter
On 07/26/2016 09:58 PM, dev wrote:
On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in
the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but
rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future for
debian:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652
To my astonishment and pleasure, I found this well argued, reasonable,
a
On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a
systemd
On 07/27/2016 01:57 PM, Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the
Rick Moen wrote:
> ... then I'll be replacing libsystemd0 with an 'equivs'
> recipe about two minutes later.
And won't you then find that all those packages with gratuitous libsystemd0
dependencies will stop working ?
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quoting, and editing properly are much appreciated as you probably know.
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Rick Moen wrote:
> I have a better question: Is there something about empiricism that many
> people on this mailing list cannot cope with?
>
> Back when I had newly joined this mailing list and all of these idle
> allegations and rhetorical questions started being posted, I decided to
> do that
Rick Moen wrote:
> If the above test works, and I strongly suspect it would, then it's
> probably not hard to come up with smoother and more automatable ways.
> However, if I _did_ need package clamav (which I don't), _and_ if I were
> feeling paranoid about libsystemd0 (which I don't), then I'd
On 07/28/2016 05:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
...
but personally I consider it unethical to leave booby traps in systems for
anyone that comes along to manage it after me.
...
> That, for the most part, is why I've gone to great lengths to only
use distro packaged software on the system
Steve Litt wrote:
> Which brings us full circle. Simon doesn't want to keep playing these
> games, wondering what kind of workaround he'll need next, as Lennart
> decides to subsume yet another Linux functionality, or Debian's "DDs"
> make yet another poor
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> A library can do anything the executable can.
Which is what I thought.
So when someone states that "it's just a library, it doesn't do anything" then
that needs taking with a pinch of salt because once anything calls one of it's
functions, then that library can do lot
On 07/29/2016 06:43 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Rowland Penny (rpenny241...@gmail.com):
It is a very stupid organisation that doesn't listen to its users,
you can make the best thing in the world (and systemd certainly
isn't that), but if a lot of your users don't want it, you are in
trouble.
On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote:
If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend my list
of suggestions. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is.
Your point is quite clear: you do not want a fork of debian and that
On 07/29/2016 01:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:32 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote:
If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend my
list of suggestions. Othe
info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
>> Great, so answer me a question: How are you getting a system without
>> libsystemd0 today?
> Waiting for Devuan or using something else then Linux as i told in the part
> of my message you did not quote.
This. Plus in the meantime, using a systemd-free s
I wrote:
> ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more
> or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result.
And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user,
half of our internal systems didn't work properly* - the lead develo
On 07/29/2016 06:27 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
I wrote:
... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more
or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result.
And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half o
On 07/30/2016 04:18 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and
then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion,
and only then did he repeat his assertions here.
And my assertio
On 07/30/2016 02:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of
Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said
to have been started because the default init system in Debian
b
On 07/30/2016 03:55 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
Isn't that what's being discussed? When did I say the things you
said were opposition for the Devuan Project?
'disagree with a fork of Debian'.
I've made clear what I said, and what
Steve Litt wrote:
> At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence:
>
>
> The Social Security Administration, for instance, has more than 60
> million lines of Cobol,
>
>
> My first thought:
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Considering the fact that many Linux users moan about not being able
> to run the latest "shiny" software, and sometimes even complain and
> insist they want their MS Windows applications on their Linux
> machines, I have to concede them, that this time systemd scored an
>
Peter Olson wrote:
> My principal complaint about GRUB is that it works very well until one day
> when it doesn't, when it now provides the minimal help conceivable to boot
> your machine.
INdeed, and IMO the use of UIDs is something of a PITA - great for working
around the "devices enumerate d
Rick Moen wrote:
> ... before reading ... documentation
You expect people to do what ? :-)
As you point out, there's a lot going for LILO - really simple as long as you
don't break it. And if it is working, it shouldn't break itself.
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Peter Olson wrote:
> I have a machine in that state right now, and rather than try to debug it at
> the Grub prompt, I am just going to reinstall the system.
That's a bit like the old "I'm buying a new car because the ashtray is full"
joke.
If you've managed to screw up your kernel and/or ini
aitor_czr wrote:
> My clock is right:
>
> aitor@gnuinos:~$ date
> Thu Aug 11 11:14:02 CEST 2016
Err, no it isn't - unless you've found the secret of time travel ! You're a day
ahead of us.
Your clock says 11th Aug, in the rest of the world it's still the 10th Aug. And
from your message heade
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> Err, no it isn't - unless you've found the secret of time travel ! You're a
>> day ahead of us.
>>
>> Your clock says 11th Aug, in the rest of the world it'
dev wrote:
>>Udev on non-systemd is a dead-end:
>
> So.. then.. basically any Linux distro which uses udev to populate /dev/ is
> going to be S.O.L? Including Slackware presumably?
That's about it - and I suspect that Poettering "isn't upset" by that.
But reading the original links, he is
I wrote:
> But reading the original links, he is clearly saying "I'll break stuff
> whenever *I* think it's right and I don't care how much work it makes for
> others in fixing the result".
However ...
It does sound like this was an area potentially in want of some looking at.
However, the way
Go Linux wrote:
> For those of you so inclined. Is this important, old news or just academic
> posturing?
I think it's all three !
It looks very much related to a CVE from 2004
https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2004-0230
Fundamentally, if someone can spoof a packet with t
On 11 Aug 2016, at 14:39, aitor_czr wrote:
> I'm not Steven Spielberg :)
No, but you've time-warped into the future again ! From the vdev thread :
> Received: from [*.*.*.*] (*.*.*.*.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es
> [*.*.*.*]) (Authenticated sender: ***@***)
> by player737.ha.ovh.net (Postfix
I wrote:
> Go Linux wrote:
>
>> For those of you so inclined. Is this important, old news or just academic
>> posturing?
>
> I think it's all three !
> It looks very much related to a CVE from 2004
> https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2004-0230
OK, so it now looks like it
dev wrote:
> Just ran across this. Not sure what it means for Open Source bootloaders.
>
> "The key basically allows anyone to bypass the provisions Microsoft has put
> in place ostensibly to prevent malicious versions of Windows from being
> installed, on any device running Windows 8.1 and up
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Second, clone that repository locally (dead easy with Git).
Which is what I was thinking ...
In an almost exact parallel, at a previous employer they used a business system
which was effectively bespoke and written in Cobol. The history was that it had
been written in-h
richard lucassen wrote:
>> And what I was saying is: You should run one on modern networked *ix
>> machine generally. Because it's 2016.
>
> I do not agree.
+1
> If the local machine generates quite a bunch of queries
> than you're right. So, if you have (in 2016) let's say forty servers
> r
Steve Litt wrote:
>> Unless you have just one device on your network, then you should not
>> be running a recursive resolver on each of them - that's just being
>> antisocial to the internet.
>
> What would happen in djbdns' dnscache if you put your LAN's resolver at
> the head of the list of ro
Rick Moen wrote:
> [Sorry, this ended up being longer than I'd hoped.]
That's OK - it's worth the read.
> Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
>
>> There was one other thing that came to mind earlier ...
>> If ${company} decided to do that,
k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Next scenario is if you have the bootloader on a different media, say
> e.g. a floppy. Then, will lilo load the kernel from disk 2 when disk 1
> fails (assuming mirrored /boot) ? Do grub handle that ?
With Grub you can specify the disk/partition by system device name (eg
Rick Moen wrote:
> And this is because too many people are just relying on it continuing to
> be there. They really ought to stop thinking that way.
I'll admit that I haven't given too much thought to who owns what when it comes
to the likes of SF - but I do frequently wonder if some of the pe
Brian Nash wrote:
> It's the same with operating systems:
>
> Windows agressively claws it's way to the top, doing all it can to
> destroy competition, while Linux minds it's own, content to let it's own
> merits speak for it.
There's more to it than that.
Windows, like Linux/SystemD is trying
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