if mount -o users,... would do what you want.
> /etc/mdev.conf supports executing commands after-creating and
> before-removing a device, analagous to "writing udev rules", but
> different format. busybox is actively maintained at
> http://www.busybox.net/ so it should be around permanently.
>
> --
> Walter Dnes
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ed, it links it into the right
directory. udev already does this.
Those who use a static /dev without these directories would get the
results of the first blkid, and no updates--which seems like exactly
what they would want.
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mesa uses udev to load the correct hardware driver.
There is a fallback available if you configure it with --enable-sysfs
or a similar flag.
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sockets, wait for acknowledgement, write a one-line command to one
socket, and listen to the other for the response.
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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:08:32PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > mesa uses udev to load the correct hardware driver.
> > There is a fallback available if you configure it with --enable-sysfs
> > or a similar flag.
>
gt; (while usual 'make install' is okay) - it seems that some of the
> dh stuff drops that flag :(
ls -l /lib/i386-linux-gnu/
in my Debian partition shows all .so's except ld-2.19.so being chmod a-x.
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s block devices/partitions
-anything that checks device type/major/minor
eg, one could check that /dev/*random has the right major and minor.
I don't know if it would work with ttys/ptys.
> Just two (euro) cents
>
> er Envite
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the past, and there have been
similar commands written elsewhere.
But really, your requests are very close to the standard usage for mdev.
Substitute "modprobe -abq" for "resolve_modalias", and the command line
above is the standard way to autoload drivers.
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
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> (Well yes, they need different /etc/inittab's, but that is solvable.)
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>
> [1] http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm
> [2] http://turkos.aspodata.se/computing/busybox_init.txt
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 01:11:15PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Isaac Dunham:
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:06:05PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > > Also a lib that maps major/minor to /dev/name and the like, a command
> > > that "scans lspci" and
,urandom}
It seems that you can use the inodes from stat() instead.
* Is there some file explaining the overall architecture?
* What coding style are you using? While I've seen styles both more
and less legible, I haven't run across anything that uses that much
whitespac
e for the sake
of promoting libsysdev isn't going to help replace udev.)
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Hello all,
Those who've been following the list in the last couple days may have seen
some mention of libsysdev, a library that aims to provide an easy-to-use
API to get information about devices from sysfs.
It's available from git at:
git://github.com/idunham/libsysdev.git
I've just released lib
quivalent to POSIX 2008 (_XOPEN_SOURCE=700), and should be
available since glibc 2.4 or in any version of musl.
Yes, I'm in favor of minimal dependencies. If a command-line tool needs
more than libc, I start wondering why.
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_devfd_to_syspath() or sysdev_getsyspath() optimal for you?
Are there any adjustments to the API that would make it easier to use?
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:57:39PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Isaac Dunham:
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 01:11:15PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> ...
> > > Mesa uses the name sysfs, which might be better than sysdev.
> > > The following two might be a good sta
because grub2 is not a trivial update for many projects
that use grub4dos.
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so be used as a minimal install, small download, that you can
> later upgrade, add a DE . . .
"No DE as a default": does this this mean not having GNOME/KDE but
perhaps X11, (v)twm or similar, xutils/xapps, and xterm?
Or does it mean no X?
I presume it would includ
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 08:46:13PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:11:39PM -0800, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > I've just released libsysdev 0.1.0.
> > Source code may be found at:
> > https://github.com/idunham/libsysdev/archive/0.1.0.tar.gz
> >
bsystemd-* packages got merged, because they'd multiplied
beyond being manageable.
cups can be rebuilt without much patching, I think-alpine has cups
2.x working nicely, and systemd does't even build here.
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n/init must be in sync with /etc/inittab.
(I'd be willing to maintain busybox, if those changes are acceptable.
I'm not sure I qualify to maintain anything, though--I live in Northern
California, have never met anyone on the web of trust, and it's a pretty
long trip to ge
tand (build scripts
that rely on running compiled code, that don't respect CC, and many other
causes.)
You can use qemu, but that's generally ~80% CPU overhead.
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heckout -- ...
(tree-ish can be a branch name, hash, tag, or any other reference form
git understands).
With the version of git in Jessie, this will checkout the files specified
and add them to the stage.
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> > package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> > know really what it does
rner you like with the keys bound to
KeyWinArrange*, and so on...out of the box, no customization needed.
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font at 16x32 if you want.
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B automounting on Jessie without
> systemd. Udevil is unmaintained upstream, as far as I know.
udevil depends on libudev1, so it's not at all a replacement.
mdev is in busybox. I've managed to bring up my system with it, but
when I tried starting X I couldn't get the k
installed
Jessie (the Lesstif->Motif transition).
*box is written in C++ too.
So what do you use?
Yes, include the window manager, as well as the tray, menu, acpi/net/cpu
monitor, dock, background setter, and key-binding tools as applicable.
All of those are included in icewm (as well as v
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:21:09PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:10:40PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:59:48AM +0000, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > > mdev is in busybox. I've managed to bring up my system with it, but
> &
try 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file
(Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
W: Failed to fetch http:/packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/Release.gpg
Unable to connect to :http:
W: Failed to fetch
http:/packages.devuan.org/devu
rebuilt
util-linux and removed libsystemd0 already.
Or are you trying to remove udev as well?
I start X manually, as you do.
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:28:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
> >> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing
Synaptics TouchPad
It makes it a whole lot simpler when you don't have to guess what a
device is.
The trick is that input devices have a description at
/sys/dev/char/:/device/name
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y can't
manage efficient and safe sh?
"The price of reliability is the pursuit of the utmost simplicity."
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ll:
libsysdev-common
(/usr/share/doc)
libsysdev-common-dev
(/usr/include, /usr/share/man/man3)
In theory, this allows libsysdev-dev:i386 and libsysdev-dev:amd64 to be
installed in parallel.
Is this the proper way of splitting it?
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:06:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi, anybody has an idea on how to fix this?
>
> On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 19:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 00:17 +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Isaac Dunham w
le it once you know it works.
git clone git://github.com/idunham/mdev
cd mdev
dpkg-buildpackage -b
cd ..
## busybox or busybox-static should work.
# apt-get install busybox
# dpkg -i mdev_0.6-1_all.deb
# apt-get purge udev
## this may not be needed (do it if you didn't get a new
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 04:30:17PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 04:27:55PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
> >> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from
them the
UNIX trademark. Inferno has the most tenuous of connections to it, being
a later Bell Labs project.
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:21:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 04:30:17PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
>
> > I should have a fix soon.
>
> awe
it says Conflicts: udev, but that
> doesn't mean it gets re-installed automagically after udev is purged,
> unfortunately :-(
mdev does not depend on makedev; it creates devices itself.
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> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:21:27PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Isaac Dunham w
fs tmpfs /run
mkdir -p /run/lock /run/shm
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /run/lock
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /run/shm
#in udev, which runs before mountdevsubfs.sh
mountpoint -q /dev/shm/ && umount /dev/shm/
mountpoint -q /dev/pts/ && umount /dev/pts/
#(re)mount /dev and populate it
mkdir -
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:12:11PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
>
> dear Isaac,
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Isaac Dunham wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 04:27:55PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
> > > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd
and some fixes for
disk_link.sh.
Special thanks to lkcl for testing mdev so persistently.
Thanks to Jude for reminding me about the symlinks.
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gerous.
> > --Gravis
>
> But why would it have to depend on systemd?
Erm...I'm reading that kdbus was *not* merged.
FWIW, kdbus was specifically mentioned when Linus blacklisted Kay Sievers.
V3 seems to have gotten a lot of "This needs
, anything that can connect to a WPA network on Linux depends on
wpa_supplicant to do so.
iwconfig can only handle open or WEP networks; I haven't been able to find
out if iw can do WPA.
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m working on a redo of the /dev/disk/by-label links for mdev.
(Parsing the default output of blkid safely is not trivial and obvious.)
Once I test that, I plan to push it and modify vdev's disk.sh to handle
/dev/disk/by-label/.
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aves me wondering "Did --configure barf or is this the root
> window?").
I like the root weave too.
If you want it back, use Xorg -retro or xsetroot -def.
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han the twice a year
I now use it, I might want to use ifplugd. Unlike systemd, it's a
single small daemon that just checks interface state and runs a script
if it's connected.)
Or, that might be the way Debian sets up networking as a dependency of
remote-fs which is a dependency of the l
such things consider "ass"
to be a somewhat vulgar term when referring to the posterior rather than
a male donkey (and "kick ass" refers to the aforesaid pportion of the
anatomy). Not quite a swear word, but something to be avoided.
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his
verse/enchantment (actually a portion of a larger verse):
One Ring to rule them all, one Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
If I understand correctly, the point of the allusion is that the quest
for *one and only one* solution is not desireable.
Isa
: something three imports deep could throw an exception
you never thought about, and it may propagate.
Now, I've used Python a little bit, and I've used C a little bit.
I won't say that Python/$scripting_language "should not be used, period".
But there are a lot o
st trustworthy vendor on Earth and it
still wouldn't qualify for a good default.
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#x27;t use or generate a
> patch. They simply won't.
>
> t.j.
Iceweasel and Chromium are both updated to the upstream-supported version
periodically (when the current version is no longer supported).
The amount of churn between versions and the number of versions means that
it
I'm using
icewm, fvwm1, and mwm), and the one desktop environment I use is
certainly not going to go for the "rewrite it for fun, and what can
we break today?" approach.
After all, I use CDE.
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sounding_app" get warned.
printf '\n\nPackage: libsystemd*\nPin: origin *\nPin-Priority: -1\n' \
>> /etc/apt/preferences
printf '\n\nPackage: systemd\nPin: origin *\nPin-Priority: -1\n' \
>> /etc/apt/preferences
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way I run Linux - always booting my system from scratch with a default
> Puppy Linux frugal installation with no Pupsave file, and then running my
> Puppy Linux Setup Kit to install all of my customizations and preferred
> software, and never saving anything to a Pupsave file, nor saving an
oot account.
But on the whole it "Should Work Fine" (TM); no warranty provided and if
you do it, you're on your own. ;-)
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https://github.com/pikhq/bootstrap-linux
(You can build a self-hosting system in six packages, if you choose the
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e generally not used as a way to offload daemonizing, but as a
way to ensure that a service stays started. If you don't need that,
you don't need them.
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> piotr
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> RAID controller deciding that it needs to do some extra sanity
> checks)? That will lead to the consecutive boot system panicking since
> its root device is not there (after some timeout), which in turn will
> lead to some poor admin having to investigate and nudge
or other. The
logic there seems obvious to me:
sed rules: delete lines begining with "# " and a number, or "#line"
directives; change XCOMM/XHASH to # (as imake does); and apparently
change "@@$$" to "\".
SUFFIXES and below:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 09:15:23AM -0400, etech3 wrote:
> # Devuan Weekly News Issue XVII
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> __Volume 02, Week 12, Devuan Week 17__
> ### [Puppy Linux-related thoughts...][4]
>
> Isaac Dunham started a post that there may be some guidelines from Puppy
> Linux for building
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> I uploaded a different version:
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That looks nice!
(yes, that's including the color
o
a WRT54G router, so there wasn't a collision).
On the other hand, I've also had avahi cause a kernel panic, apparently
triggered by a printer. That was with Ubuntu "Lucid", right around
release (it could have been before release,
hich means that any audio programs will be running on the server,
while the user is at the thinclient.
In order for the user to get sound, they will need to have pulseaudio
or another network sound daemon running, and NAS isn't really active
anymore.
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> If I ever write a desktop suite, it will store settings as a well-defined
> directory tree with human-meaningful file names and contents instead of a
> MySQL database or a large flat opaque file.
The only desktop I use does.
Yes, I u
ges I don't
use, and would expect *me* to support *their* design?
I have things I'd rather be working on than understanding half a
million lines of boot system, and I can build one that I understand
and that meets my own needs in under a thousand.
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something else, and how much serves as a warning to all comers not to go
that way.
We need to understand the strengths and caveats, the failings and the
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files).
Hmm...
Do we need to have a subdirectory of the mountpoint?
Could you just use ACLs if you need to make a limited subset available?
I get the impression that we can do this for mdev via a script along
these lines:
FILENAME=`env | sha512sum | cut -d' ' -f1`
for f in /dev/uev
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> > > > "report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's driver
> > core
> > > > (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power supplies,
> > > > etc.--stuff for which there are no device files"
> >
> > Currentl
ith mdev.
https://github.com/idunham/mdev/blob/master/hooks/mdev-hook, last two lines:
# Apparently, this somehow only gets copied if udev is installed.
copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/scsi
The directory where that is would probably be helpful for integration
with initramfs-tools; it's what I worked out for making mdev replace
udev.
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u are currently using:
lsmod
* Check if they are in your initrd:
lsinitramfs ./initrd.vdev |grep $MODNAME.ko
In particular, look for "hid" (hid_generic, usbhid, hid), evdev,
ahci/ata_piix (if applicable), and sd_mod.
* If they are present, try to inject a line that will load usbhid and
evdev i
probe/depmod, and should not be used.
If you want to use a non-standard keyboard layout or a different font
or resolution, then you need a script for console settings (and a
framebuffer driver and fbcon).
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When the init program whose location
>was passed to the kernel runs, it runs as PID 1, and can spawn (or
>manage if desired) other programs.
As far as I know, if the initramfs init program completes, the kernel
panics.
It needs to mount the new / on a mountpoint (traditionally /
#x27;s got a rudimentary dialog
interface for generating and extending wpa_supplicant.conf that should
be able to use xdialog or whiptail).
The configuration part was not the point of wpanet; it was about
starting wpa_supplicant and a dhcp client without relying on sleep,
but there is an interface that I
/init-top/devmanager ->
/etc/alternatives/rd-dev-manager/devmanager-top
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/devmanager ->
/etc/alternatives/rd-dev-manager/devmanager-bottom
An alternative is just have udev/vdev/mdev all Provide:/Conflict:
device-manager,
and initramfs-tools can depend on that; but this is clumsy.
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post-install script that:
> > > * sets up config files needed to generate persistent device names
> >
> > Install config files, marked as such.
>
> It's more involved than that--the /etc/vdev/ifnames.conf file needs to be
> generated from the host's network interfaces, for example (like the
> /etc/udev/rules.d directory). But obviously surmountable :)
Ah, yes. "*Persistent* device names".
Personally, I've never had an occasion to use them, and figure that
loading the drivers manually in order would be enough if I wanted that.
/sys/class/net// may have the information on Linux.
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cially about the target,
though perhaps it's excusable to acknowledge the stupidity that
some code has. (Insult the *code* if needed; not the coder, and even
more certainly not the users.) I try to delete mails and threads that
end up like this.
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elevant even with containers, unless you can set them up so that all
administration takes place externally.
A possible use for /sbin on a non-containerized system is to bind-mount
an empty directory over /sbin/ in a private mount namespace for all
non-administrative users.
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hat acts
like a standard initscript in just a few lines.
Minimal Process Management:
I'd suggest a couple changes to the wording of the list:
1. *Mount* /proc and /sys
2. Populate /dev; initialize drivers and create devices in response
to hotplug events (typically via udev, eudev, vdev, mdev)
On the whole, it's a fairly good overview.
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sociated device disappears.
By default, udev automatically loads non-blacklisted modules based
on the hardware it detects.
On a systemd-based system, udev is mandatory; it is not a part of pid 1,
though it is built from the systemd source.
If you can figure out what module is causing the crash, you
to create a trigger for
dpkg which will run "rm -rf /etc/systemd"...
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;d think that this is OK, apart from the question of whether all
packages can be rebuilt on a Devuan system.
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install of Debian
and some script that can properly configure the result as a VM/container
(if it's even possible to use systemd in a container).
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to be *almost* enough to get started;
etcnet-options.5 is almost enough to do something;
but the real documentation is in examples/.
Unfortunately, there's no example of how to do wireless via WPA.
I also see that it's meant to work with the hotplug scripts, and that it
amounts to "a diffe
rking, and mountnfs.sh should not use paths
under /usr, because /usr could be a (possibly remote) mount.
Configuring /dev with something in /usr is particularly bad;
coincidentally, eudev was forked partly because systemd-udev started
complaining about configurations with a separate /u
bian/patches.
You will need to "add" files that you want to edit *before* changing them.
* git's default format is:
--- a/
+++ b/
You do not need to do anything other than make sure that everything has
been committed to git before you start editing; git will store the contents
of the rep
googleearth via googleearth-package.
It depends on lsb-core, which depends on the same version of lsb-release
and lsb-base; apparently lsb-core has been rebuilt without rebuilding
lsb-release and lsb-base, since they are unavailable.
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our frontends: terminfo-based (curses was derived
from the code for this), tk, motif, and gtk.
I ended up finding out this as a result of making the motif frontend
build/work again.
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ially related but
perhaps not part of the same code:
Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support downloading
changelogs from non-Debian packages?
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On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 12:19:51PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 07:16:55PM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:54:53PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> > > On 27/05/2015 12:12, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > >I'm in th
..
There are no shortage of ways to set it up.
> I believe that people who are opposed to systemd are similar to me - we
> prefer simplicity over complex solutions, and are not impressed by bells
> and whistles. Thus, I think people who are attracted to Devuan would be a
> good market for a
would
need such-and-such", without glossing over the fact that there are
downsides to selecting it.
This should be information presented before the user selects repos
to enable.
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ething getting into debian non-free require your
claims to be false for that package, if it isn't a downloader or
installer.
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Path to the network configuration script invoked by dhclient
when it gets a lease. If unspecified, the default
/sbin/dhclient-script is used.
Busybox udhcpc and toybox dhcp use "-s" for this.
You could use the script to start the network tools d
setup process
if (supervised || background_option) {
write(pipefds[1], "1", 1);
close(pipefds[1]);
}
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