Well, I'll comment on a couple points, since the material you quoted is rather misleading at best.
Full disclosure: My only associations with the VUA are (1) subscribing to this list; (2) using the devuan repositories, and (3) having an account on the devuan gitlab, which I have only used to mirror a single repository containing packaging for mdev. I have used Debian and Ubuntu in the past, but I was only active in the Debian User Forums, the Ubuntu Forums, and on Launchpad (I have not been involved in Debian development beyond commenting on/filing a very few bug reports, but would be technically capable, as I've had a couple PPAs). I am also involved in multiple unrelated projects where the community is decidedly opposed to systemd (musl, busybox, toybox, puppy), and in one where there are multiple technical barriers to using systemd (Alpine Linux: grsec is the default kernel, musl is the libc). * The laptop "for a developer" (pieced together from personal knowledge and comments here): Dima Krasner (Iguleder on the Puppy Linux forums) describes himself as an "independent R&D freelancer"; he has done a lot of work related to Puppy Linux, including Debian-based editions of Puppy. He was *not* one of the original "VUAs" or other participants in the fork process. His latest project before Devuan was announced was a vaguely Puppy-like independent distro, built from source for i486/32 megabyte systems (it may have been 20 megabytes minimum): in other words, aimed at *bare minimum* hardware. I can't tell for sure what hardware he had, but I would be rather surprised if it was significantly over 1.6 GHz (based on the minimal specs he was aiming at). As soon as the Devuan fork announcement was out, he started working on a stub library, then came up with a shim to use software compiled for logind with consolekit2 (loginkitd) The most productive approach for testing system software is to fire up a vm, which can be *extrememly* slow with limited hardware. Possibly for this reason, the VUAs agreed to get him a new laptop for testing and development of loginkitd. * MikeeeUSA: There have been occasional posts from some individuals which resembled MikeeeUSA's rants. Said individuals have been flamed, banned, or possibly ignored; the first such poster accused the list in general of being SJWs, and tried to flame me when I requested that he moderate his language, saying that the New Testament was feminist. (In case you don't see the irony, I'm a Pentecostal/Fundamentalist Christian, and am generally disgusted with most feminists...and all MRAs.) There have also been some posts in "technical" threads directing vulgarities at systemd and its supporters as such; the reaction to these has varied from ignoring or *lightly* criticizing them to full agreement. Personally, I wish that this would stop: obscenity says litle beyond who the speaker is, especially about the target, though perhaps it's excusable to acknowledge the stupidity that some code has. (Insult the *code* if needed; not the coder, and even more certainly not the users.) I try to delete mails and threads that end up like this. Thanks, Isaac Dunham _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
