Never mind the mechanisms for now.
May I ask what all this complexity is supposed to accomplish?
-- hendrik
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On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 09:01:12PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> On 26.12.2014 18:59, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > And, no, the idea isn't to share it with the rest or the world.
> > The idea is for the so-called vendor branch to be shared, in this case
>
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 02:11:49PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> On 31.12.2014 20:04, Isaac Dunham wrote:
>
> >> One thing which is still sucking: it uses the ugly dbus.
> >> Perhaps I'll find some time to rewrite it using fuse.
> >
> > dbus is probably used to communicate wit
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 04:17:53PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jan 2015, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
>
> > On 01.01.2015 12:47, Lev wrote:
> > > Happy 2015 for all (INIT) Freedom lovers!
> > >
> > > Long live Devuan!
> >
> > dito
>
> allright: look around, we are definitely t
On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
> do we already have defined workflows for package submission ?
>
> I'm usually maintaining everything in git repos, where each distro
> has a separate branch, which directly adds ./debian/ directo
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 01:27:38AM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hi Enrico,
>
> > I dont believe ACLs are a good idea anyways. They introduce yet another
> > (orthogonal) dimension to the system, so heavily increase management
> > complexity. For example, it's hard to trace problems that way, if /de
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 07:31:19PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
> On 03.01.2015 07:27, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> >> I'd rather raise the question whether that's useful at all.
> >
> > There was an LWN article on this a while back [2]. The examples
> > provided there are as follow
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 04:01:55PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hi Hendrik,
>
> > It looks as if this whole discussion is in the direction of building a
> > capability architecture on top of Linux. I'm not sure this isn't a
> > much greater change than imposing systemd. If you want such a thing,
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 09:22:52PM +0200, Dima Krasner wrote:
> Indeed, it's a good way forward for now.
>
> Once everything is in place, I'll start playing with rebuilding GDM
> without tons of dependencies, to ease the debugging of LoginKit. Once
> I can debug GDM on a Devuan system with sysvi
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:40:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hi Hendrik,
>
> > In VAX/VMS there was a feature that could in theory be useful,
> > though I've never seen it actually used. Fila permissions could
> > forbid the root user from reading the file. This might be useful
> > for dire se
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 08:52:06PM +, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >IIRC, Wheezy is known to have systemd packages but they aren't (or
> >shouldn't be?) installed by default, probably as an early
> >preparation for full systemd in Jessie.
I've been running a wheezy server fo
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 09:15:11PM +, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Then I have no idea about default installation (you can probably look at
> >package dependencies to figure it out). But from Debian's current POV, it is
> >probably considered an improvement to add systemd components and m
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 01:06:18AM +, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you, Hendrik.
>
> That is what I assumed you would find. I’m not overreacting per se. I freely
> admit, I’ve not looked at the code to see how well it functions
> independently. I also do not know for certain that i
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 03:32:34PM +, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773924
> Wow! Thanks, Oli.
>
> That’s very informative and much appreciated. It looks like we could simply
> rebuild the package without the dependency, if I am r
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:01:16AM -0800, Isaac Dunham wrote:
>
> I'd like to provide something that can be utilized as a fallback when
> libudev is missing/udev doesn't start.
> Optimally, the API will be simple enough that developers then say
> "And why aren't we using this *instead* of libudev?
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:34:25PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb John Morris:
> >
> > And yes, putting the thing in hardware does enhance security in ways
> > software alone simply can't.
> >
>
> … and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:36:35AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:19:38AM +0100, tilt wrote:
...
> > I do understand the "Bumping" problem you mentioned
>
> It's a problem only if you:
> 1. mix both Debian and Devuan apt sources, and
> 2. don't have pinning (/etc/apt/pref
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 09:39:19PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 de January de 2015 18:10:10 Hendrik Boom escribió:
> > So the upgrade to devuan should perhaps introduce the pin?
> > And how soes that pinning work? Simply forbidding systemd and
> > some of its
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 02:54:12PM -0800, Philip Keogh wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Philip Keogh wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd?
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders.
> > >
> > >
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 08:09:56PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:46:01 -1000
> Joel Roth wrote:
>
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd?
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:59:51PM -0500, Neo Futur wrote:
> I completely agree with most of the comments above about grub2.
> I manage dedicated server and build my own grsec kernel, so I often
> have to use the bootloader, so many times I couldnt get it to boot
> with grub2 after hours trying and
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 08:44:17PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:31:07 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:59:51PM -0500, Neo Futur wrote:
> > > I completely agree with most of the comments above about grub2.
> > > I
On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 10:18:02AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:48:37PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > Perhaps detailed instructions for doing this should be in the
> > documentation for devuan -- somewhere where the home
On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 10:13:09PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> My point is that if you need to care about boot loaders (or
> recompiling the kernel, or shrinking/extending a couple of
> partitions), then you should know exactly what you are doing, or be
> ready to accept the consequences, or refrain
On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hi Jaromil,
>
> Making vdev easy to use in sandboxed contexts (chroot, lxc, jails, etc.) is
> definitely a design requirement!
Looks useful. Might make system recovery easier. One thing I'd like
to be able to do is run a dist-upgra
On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 02:22:58PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
> On 02/02/2015 12:37 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:22:45 -0500
> > Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> >>> Only remains to prove the talibans of systemd that resistance is not
> >>> futile...
> >
> >> Is not ISIL a
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
>
> I have been programming in C
> from the beginning of the 80's and loved it, but I think C++ is
> wrong by design (personal thought), although I have no choice but to
> use programs written in that language, as well as Perl, Pytho
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first
> > package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't
> > know really what it does
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:43:57AM -0800, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote:
> Here here!
>
> FUCK Debian.
> FUCK them.
>
> They spit in all of your faces.
> There needs to be a fairly clean break, atleast in the mind.
> Everything has to be, eventually, forked to keep a non-systemd userland
> (non db
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:51:34PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> On 02/12/2015 01:42 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25:46AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > ...
> >>
> >> I have bee
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:54:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Hey Guys, I would love to have a dispute about languages, but I
> don't think it's in the scope of this mailing list. Do you? Excuse
> me for having fed it.
Off topic? That's already been established, in a thread about
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 04:16:48PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
...
>
> Just the following restriction: please, when your piece of
> software is first of all an API, like dbus is, let it be not too
> much language-oriented. I mean don't force other programmers to
> think like you, or, worse, don'
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:27:55AM -0430, Richard wrote:
> While this seems an admirable idea, it seems that Debian's change of
> direction is the reason we are here.
>
> A fork means that you take a different path. Inevitably those paths diverge
> --a fork.
>
> We have the benefit of where Debia
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 09:59:00PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
>
> Whilst it may prove unavoidable, we seek to actively avoid a complete
> fork of Debian (learning the lessons from Ubuntu), not least because
> we wish to make it easy for users to transition between Devuan and
> Debian (wit
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 03:08:34PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Anthony G. Basile
> wrote:
> > eudev is used in gentoo and some other projects, like buildroot and crux.
>
> So i've noticed. what about devuan?
Discussion so far seems to indicate that udev is goi
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 03:12:25PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> I'd go for:
> 1. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative-Galaxy-v1.5-SVG.svg
> or a spinoff of this, seems sober and not too flashy, i like it
> 2. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan-D-Inspired-2.sv
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:18PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming
> > two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while
> > at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it
> > the moment to se
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:16:42PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Isn't Bastille a set of scripts to harden Debian security?
> Well, IMMHO, Devuan shouldn't need such a collection if said security
> was default (which should be).
I don't know what Bastille is supposed to do. But its security
pro
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:26:45AM -0500, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
wrote:
>
> I agree that use of C has lessened, and that less of us understand C
> today. I disagree that this is necessarily the cause of the problem.
> Personally, I think that anything that *can* be written in Python,
>
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
>
> i'm weary of KDBUS but live patching is something i consider too dangerous.
> --Gravis
But why would it have to depend on systemd?
-- hendrik
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> IVI == "In-Vehicle Infotainment." The stuff that runs your new car's UI.
The thing that scares me because I suspect it's just not as well
debugged as the software that used to run a car only a few years ago?
Well, what scares me it
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 03:31:02AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >
> > The thing that scares me because I suspect it's just not as well
> > debugged as the software that used to run a car only a few years ago?
> >
> >
> You overestimate the amount of debugging that goes into in-car software. I
>
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:22:00PM +, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote:
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> IMHO, an user who wants a very complete "easy/ready to use" desktop
> probably will go to Mac OS or to a distro specialized to be a desktop
> (Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc.).
I
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 07:34:57PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote:
> > On February 15, 2015 at 2:39 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > > IVI == "In-Vehicle Infotainment." The stuff that runs your new car&#
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:41:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600
> Vince Mulhollon wrote:
>
>
> > There shouldn't be any "tweaking" for a desktop. This whole bad idea
> > comes from marketing at Microsoft
>
> Whoaaa, wait a minute. Another word for "tweaking" is
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:15:14PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote:
> > On February 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 07:34:57PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote:
>
> > > “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
> > >
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:19:27AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:32:28 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:41:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:36:19 -0600
> > > Vince Mulhollon wrote:
> &g
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:14:45PM -0500, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
>
> I imagine there will be a lot of back and forth sharing as time goes
> on that is the nature of the free and open world.
Yes, that's the whole point of the free and open world.
-- hendrik
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36:20AM -0500, william moss wrote:
>
> FreeBSD supports XFCE Via its package manager (pkg) or /usr/ports, so it
> must be possible to run XFCE w/o the systemd daemon(s) or shared objects.
>
> Also, I configured server farms for decades (retired now) and a simple
> GUI w
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42:43PM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > CDE (common desktop environment)
> > Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
>
> now what is "Inferno"?
Long answer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(opera
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 01:58:59PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
> I don't see what's the fuss about server-oriented vs desktop-oriented.
> As long as it's not monolithic anyone can/should be able to install a
Even monoliths can be tolerated if they do not exclude other ways of
running the syst
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 05:31:34PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:11:12 + (UTC)
> Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
> > 1) In the default desktop environment for Devuan, will there be an icon or
> > other discoverable item the user can click to see a list of available wifi
> >
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:19:04PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:04:05PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> > > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> > > the guys, that got hold of the fantasti
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:22:26PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> > Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
> > also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
> > writing. Thanks again for the news though.
>
> “kickass” is not even a swear word.
But i
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс
> > >wrote:
> > >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> > >>the guys, that got h
I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am replacingg the hard drive.
It
seems to be old enough not to have proper virtualisatoin hardware. It
currently
dual-boots Debian testing, and, once in a blue moon, Windows XP.
(So far the main problems I have had is to copy Windows' three p
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:30:39PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> On 02/23/2015 04:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am replacingg the hard
> > drive. It
> > seem
tally wrong.
>
> Example:
> # dd if=/path/to/valentine/pre-alpha.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
>
> (assuming /dev/sdb is your USB device).
>
> -Jude
Thanks.
-- hendrik
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Hendrik Boom
> wrote:
>
> > I have a three-or-four year-old
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
Which is why I thought a two-armed spiral, based on a real galaxy,
would be appropriate. Clearly different from Debian's spiral, anyway.
The Milky Way indeed seems to have two main a
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:28:39AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> There is a public-domain drawing of the Milky Way, but it presents
> the Milky Way as a barred galaxy, and the par seems to have been kind
> of air-b
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:51:21AM +1100, Tzu-Pei Chen wrote:
> At 24/02/2015 11:28 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> >>
> >> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
>
> Except when they don't ;
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan mailing
> list just to escape systemd, and have been pleasantly surprised by how
> Devuan is re-architecting everything.
Does that meerly reflect how systemd is dearchit
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:06:47PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>
> I discovered the name of wicd on this list recently. I didn't
> try it, therefore I can't compare, but it looks that it has more
> diverse interfaces than wpasupplicant, CLI, GUI and even Curses. I
> will probably try it the f
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:26:35AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
>
> Of course, what I really want to see is that Devuan is a big success, so
> that I won't need a Plan B (even though it's always a good idea to have
> one).
It's always good to have a plan B. The biggest benefit is often that
if g
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote:
>
> Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just
> logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options are
> greyed out in lightdm. Login as root and 'shutdown -h now' does work at
> least. But the
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:05:40PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote:
> >The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing.
> >What I'd like to see instead is a focus on a real issue we have, which
> >is shipping desktop background designs. This is not a uni
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:19:05PM -0500, etech3 wrote:
> +1 hendrik
>
> May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around
> to the Devs). I for one would look forword to a working base install
> with no DE. That could be a alpha 0.XX milestone.
Do you meen no X? no window mana
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:43:50PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:19:05PM -0500, etech3 wrote:
> > +1 hendrik
> >
> > May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around
> > to the Devs). I for one would look forword to a worki
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:22:15PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> On 26/02/15 18:04, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >And don't want Devuan deelopers to waste time on them if it means
> >delaying our release. After a usable release, we'll have time for
> >such matters.
> >
>
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:09:50PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 26/02/2015 18:04, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:05:40PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> >>On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote:
> >>>The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the imp
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:22:28PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> > Is likely not going to be the most interesting thing in Devuan, but
> > anyway I wish we tag this process soon with some black and white
> > minimalist design to be used,
>
> Prio
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:35:47PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:30:39PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> > On 02/23/2015 04:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > I have a three-o
gh, as expected, it still
seems to think it's a Debian installer.
Will proceed with installation when I've got the right hard drive in the
laptop again.
-- hendrik
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Hendrik Boom
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:35:47PM
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:03:22PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:21:03AM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > Hmmm, you might have to use isohybrid (in the syslinux package) to make the
> > ISO bootable when dd'ed to a USB key. See
> > http://www.tur
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:22:26PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> > Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
> > also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
> > writing. Thanks again for the news though.
>
> “kickass” is not even a swear word.
I thi
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:59:08AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >
> > So, i see for protection two ways: technical, like minimalism for easy
> > forking, and community driven development of the project.
> >
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee
Of course that one links to
http
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 28 Feb 00:57 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
> > > >
> > >
> > > some computers need a partition table on the usb-stick to boot.
> > >
> > >
> > unetbootin should take care of
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:18:28AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 28 Feb 07:56 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, isohybrid did the trick.
>
> Oh, yeah, I remember that *now*. Slaps forehead!
>
> > What I don't know
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:40:41PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100
> Wolfgang Pirker wrote:
>
> > Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical
> > XFCE application menu.
>
> I do ;-3)
And leaving the code as-is might be the faster way to get to Devuan 1.0
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:11:42PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 28 Feb 17:07 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > As for systemd having "tentacles", there is certainly truth to that, but
> > then the same argument could be said of Python or Perl. Both are rooted
> > so far into "standard" dis
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 06:55:01PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:09:50PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> >
> > Aren't there wallpapers provided by the DE's, eg. xfce4? In this
> > case, it isn't usefull to provide anything
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:09:21AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> now we're tech support?
To an extent, yes.
We need to know what problems people have with our software, so we can
either fix it or fix the documentation.
Or do we want to be accused of "notlistening to our users"?
-- hendrik
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On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:53:11AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > Having [perl and python] doesn't cost much, IMO.
>
> this is true however, you only need a single deep-seeded flaw to
> exploit an entire system when it comes to scripting. for further
> reading, see bash.
This is true of any library yo
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 06:06:01PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> On 01/03/15 17:38, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:09:21AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> >>now we're tech support?
> >To an extent, yes.
> >
> >We need to know what problems people have with
I tried using the valentine installer on a disk that already had three
primary partitions and a lot of empty space.
I could not get manual partitioning to leave the existing partitions
alone and install devuan to secondary partitions in the empty space. The
closest I could get was a question w
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 05:44:47PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I tried using the valentine installer on a disk that already had three
> primary partitions and a lot of empty space.
In case it's relevant, I was using the expert install, wanting to make
my own paritioning decisions.
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 10:44:20PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
>
> dear Hendrik,
>
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > I tried using the valentine installer on a disk that already had three
> > primary partitions and a lot of empty space.
> >
> >
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:16:52AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2015 05:56 PM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
> >
> >The perl-base package pre-depends on libc6 and dpkg. And nothing else.
> I was not referring to all the software that depends on them when
> using Debian/Devuan. I've never belie
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 11:26:55PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 05:07:10PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > Interesting. I've used the Debian installer before, I think in the
> > time of wheezy, and it worked with existing partitions.
>
> So does
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 05:36:54PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:46:17 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > I had
> > experiences of big programs in C and my experience is that debugging
> > is long (and probably never ended) and evolution is a nightmare.
>
> That can be true,
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 11:49:20AM +0100, shraptor shraptor wrote:
>
> I consider myself of moderate coding skills
> and I like shell. I learnt coding in basic, modula2 and some c.
If you liked Modula 2, you might want to look at Modula 3. Same
syntax, but completely different language.
-- hen
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 01:39:55AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> On 03/03/2015 09:07 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >As time passed, they kept finding new uses for their scripting
> >language. Occasionally they would realize and existing module
> >needed major new functinoali
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
> the re-branded Mozilla products.
>
> As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
> Mozilla license that does not comply with DS
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 08:21:42AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > Just to clarify... *Java will run* with a grsecurity hardened kernel,
> > with pax enabled. It just needs mprotect disabled for the specific programs
> > that need it disabled. (and also many other things need this... python,
> >
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 11:59:25AM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
> I - personally - use chromium sometimes as i, as you've noticed,
> dislike Google yet some IE-ish sites work better on chromium than they
> do on firefox. Chromium seems fast but lacks a few plugins i use in
> Firefox. Unfortunate
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:04:26PM +0100, Peter Maloney wrote:
> especially hope it doesn't say anything like "anyone can join en masse
> and override all the decisions completely overnight".
In churches, especially those rules by the congregation, this is called
steeplejacking.
My church has
(changed the Subject to reflect thread drift)
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:53:01PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > until they've been a
> > member
>
> What con
There is already a payment-processing system that has been in effect
much longer than computers or digital networks -- the postal money
order sent by ordinary mail.
All we'd need is a mailing address and a warning about what sorts of
cheques and the like are easy or too difficult to process.
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 09:00:49PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> I know that Devuan is not even at the alpha release yet. So I don't
> have any intention at all here, to ask the nasty question about the
> release date. Everybody involved in Devuan development are already
> really busy,
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