On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 09:15:11PM +0000, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> >Then I have no idea about default installation (you can probably look at
> >package dependencies to figure it out). But from Debian's current POV, it is
> >probably considered an improvement to add systemd components and more
> >recent versios of ______ that use them, even if PID1 is still sysvinit. After
> >all this is what Ubun7u and Trisquel are doing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Probably.  To be clear, I don’t know if that is the case or if they 
> simply did something else, like rename a package.  Either way, I call 
> it “crap.”  You can purge it with no error,

No error when you purge it.  I presume you can still log in?  And you 
can still boot?

> but aptitude wants to 
> reinstall it the next time the resolver is run.

A later post suggested it may have come in with backports.
Would removing backports from sources.lst keep it  from coming back?

> There is no reason to change to this that I can think of.  Without 
> looking at the code, I’d guess that it is just a bad dependency chain 
> introduced in the last update - otherwise I couldn’t guess as to what 
> they were thinking.

If it indeed came in with backports, maybe there were users who asked 
for it to be backported?

By the way, is there a good way to find out what other packages might 
have forced a package to be installed as a dependency (directly or 
indirectly)?

-- hendrik

> 
> To me at least, this incident is just another example of the QA 
> pitfalls of the traditional “Linux distribution” process.  They talk 
> about stability and maintainability, but the second that that becomes 
> fashionably inconvenient, they introduce new things into mix even 
> after “the cake has been baked.”
> 
> Every spec is only kept for as long as it is convenient for the 
> packager to do so, the user’s actual real world needs play second 
> fiddle.

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