Le 28/02/2015 05:17, Isaac Dunham a écrit :
What baffles me is that Lennart *has* written a daemon specifically to
*avoid* hung boots due to networks being down. It's called ifplugd.
(And yes, if I used my ethernet port more often than the twice a year
I now use it, I might want to use ifplugd
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>Ok, that sounds like a plan.
>
>But which is the default DE for Devuan-- XFCE or Mate?
It will be Xfce4, since Mate is somehow too big.
Later on, we may still want to have a respin installer and/or liveCD
with Mate default and anyway Mate is
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Ok, that sounds like a plan.
But which is the default DE for Devuan-- XFCE or Mate?
It will be Xfce4, since Mate is somehow too big.
Later on, we may still want to have a respin installer and/or liveCD
with Mate default and anyway Mate is
hi Didier,
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015, Didier Kryn wrote:
> It seems we will have to wait a little for Mate, and maybe also
> for all the lightweight tiled DE's.
we'll likely support all lightweight desktops just out of the box, I
doubt they have hard dependencies on systemd. Enlightnement perhap
I guess this is good food for thought in the philosophical discussion, a
post from the best blogger avantgarde I can think of, Regine Debatty
Disnovation, an inquiry into the mechanics and rhetoric of innovation
http://we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2015/02/disnovation.php
It is a report abo
* On 2015 28 Feb 00:57 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > >
> > > http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> >
> > some computers need a partition table on the usb-stick to boot.
> >
> >
> unetbootin should take care of that
Give it a try as I've had good luck with unetbootin on various live CDs,
b
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:59:08AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >
> > So, i see for protection two ways: technical, like minimalism for easy
> > forking, and community driven development of the project.
> >
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee
Of course that one links to
http
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 28 Feb 00:57 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
> > > >
> > >
> > > some computers need a partition table on the usb-stick to boot.
> > >
> > >
> > unetbootin should take care of
On 02/22/2015 07:38 PM, Jaromil wrote:
dear Jonathan,
you have very good concerns on usability. After Devuan 1.0 we might be
able to quick fix desktop behaviour, I bet many developers involved will
go do respins and blends.
however, for what concerns us here and at least until the Devuan 1.0
re
* On 2015 28 Feb 07:56 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, isohybrid did the trick.
Oh, yeah, I remember that *now*. Slaps forehead!
> What I don't know is whether the isohybridized version of the .iso
> would still work on a CD. If so, it might be effective jus
> A few months ago, the festival accès)s( in Pau (France) invited the
> audience to
> take a critical look at the idea of a techno-driven progress, at a
> propaganda
> machine that promise that new 'advances' in information and communication
> technologies will solve our problems and fulfill the dr
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:18:28AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 28 Feb 07:56 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, isohybrid did the trick.
>
> Oh, yeah, I remember that *now*. Slaps forehead!
>
> > What I don't know is whether the isohybridized versio
Le 28/02/2015 11:38, Jaromil a écrit :
hi Didier,
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015, Didier Kryn wrote:
It seems we will have to wait a little for Mate, and maybe also
for all the lightweight tiled DE's.
we'll likely support all lightweight desktops just out of the box, I
doubt they have hard depend
Le 28/02/2015 14:55, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2015 28 Feb 00:57 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
some computers need a partition table on the usb-stick to boot.
unetbootin should take care of
On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 09:45 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> I read the Debian installer mailing list since I upgraded to Jessie
> early and had huge difficulties. Yes, there are currently many
> gotchas. There's apparently a bug that prevents them from
> offering a choice of inits, which they
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On 02/28/2015 11:38 AM, Jaromil wrote:
>
> I'm an avid user of tiled desktops, in particular Awesome and
> LarsWM, so I'll certainly make sure those work well, for my own
> good.
i3 user here. In case we ever need specific tweaks for that (eg.
Debian
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 01:42:49 -0500
"Steven W. Scott" wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2015 11:45 PM, "Steve Litt"
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:18:15 -0600
> > "T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> >
> >
> > > With respect to all, I think that a measure of objectivity is
> > > called for here. I think that bec
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On 02/27/2015 11:17 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 06:13:24PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:56:56PM +, Matthew Melton wrote:
>>
>> [cut]
>>
Just to support my point, Debian has a great logo, but
Mother Nature had to solve that problem a long time ago. The only
reason it's not so obvious it's because our notion of evolution was
created (or rather I should say distorted) by a fascist minded people.
At the core of all life lies DNA replication, which is just copying
itself as best as possible
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:00:01 -0500
Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 07:38 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> > dear Jonathan,
> >
> > you have very good concerns on usability. After Devuan 1.0 we might
> > be able to quick fix desktop behaviour, I bet many developers
> > involved will go do respins and b
> I don't know. Given the entire NetworkManager's dependency on dbus,
Dbus is just the mechanism other programs use to interact with NM. If you
were to carve out the dbus API from NM, it would still manage your network
as before, but you'd need to add a different way to control it.
-Jude
On Sat
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:34:37 -0500
Jude Nelson wrote:
> > I don't know. Given the entire NetworkManager's dependency on dbus,
>
> Dbus is just the mechanism other programs use to interact with NM.
> If you were to carve out the dbus API from NM, it would still manage
> your network as before, bu
Am 27.02.2015 21:18 schrieb T.J. Duchene:
With respect to all, I think that a measure of objectivity is called
for
here. I think that because personality clashes that Debian's entire
systemd discussion has lost any sense of reality long ago.
I wouldn't call "personality clash" the case of a us
I have a remark on dmenu.
It might be a practical way to achieve #2 for all desktop environment in
a uniform way. But in a desktop environment like XFCE and heavier ones
there are alternatives which might integrate better in its desktop
environment and look prettier.
For example in XFCE you
> > > I don't know. Given the entire NetworkManager's dependency on dbus,
> >
> > Dbus is just the mechanism other programs use to interact with NM.
> > If you were to carve out the dbus API from NM, it would still manage
> > your network as before, but you'd need to add a different way to
> > cont
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100
Wolfgang Pirker wrote:
> Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical
> XFCE application menu.
I do ;-3)
Cheers,
Ron.
--
Women should be obscene and not absurd.
-- Groucho Marx
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:40:41PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100
> Wolfgang Pirker wrote:
>
> > Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical
> > XFCE application menu.
>
> I do ;-3)
And leaving the code as-is might be the faster way to get to Devuan 1.0
On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 23:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Bottom line is this: If you make a modular system with thin interfaces
> and sane components, somebody will make a block diagram representing it,
> accurately, in its entirety.
>
> It could be argued that the email, sockets, and djb softwa
On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 21:03 +0100, Philip Lacroix wrote:
>
> I wouldn't call "personality clash" the case of a user having specific
> problems
> with systemd's networking tentacles on Debian Jessie, don't you think?
Actually, yes I would call it a personality problem, but only because I
have s
On Feb 28, 2015 5:17 PM, "Hendrik Boom" wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:40:41PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100
> > Wolfgang Pirker wrote:
> >
> > > Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical
> > > XFCE application menu.
> >
> > I do ;-3)
>
> And l
* On 2015 28 Feb 17:07 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> As for systemd having "tentacles", there is certainly truth to that, but
> then the same argument could be said of Python or Perl. Both are rooted
> so far into "standard" distributions that it is hard to extract them.
With all respect, T.J., t
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:47:03 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 06:40:41PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100
> > Wolfgang Pirker wrote:
> >
> > > Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical
> > > XFCE application menu.
> >
> > I do ;-3)
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:50:56 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 23:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >
> > Bottom line is this: If you make a modular system with thin
> > interfaces and sane components, somebody will make a block diagram
> > representing it, accurately, in its en
On Sat, 2/28/15, Go Linux wrote:
Subject: What if systemd infects the kernel?
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015, 1:05 AM
I have been aware of the pending assimilation of systemd into the kernel since
Linus dramatically rejected Kay Sievers' code last spring. Recently
fsmithred over at Refracta created a live iso of the valentine's pre-alpha with
refractasnapshot. He said I could post a link here for those who want to check
it out but don't want to install.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/other/
It booted just fine but as previously noted there ar
* On 2015 28 Feb 19:09 -0600, Go Linux wrote:
>
>
> Either this is an incredibly stupid question or it's the elephant in
> the room. Why not one response? This inquiring mind would like to
> know.
>
> golinux
Actually, it's a good question and some
> I have been aware of the pending assimilation of systemd into the kernel
> since Linus dramatically rejected Kay Sievers' code last spring.
a huge reason for it's rejection was it's lack of documentation. this
situation hasnt changed much in regard to kdbus.
> Recently there has been renewed
On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 18:11 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> With all respect, T.J., those are merely programming languages--shell, C
> and C++ are also "hard to extract"--but none are trying to dictate
> policy.
I would not consider C in that group, as the system actually requires
the C library
> My point is that Perl and Python as system software are forced on you in
> a Linux distribution as a requirement in much the same way that systemd
> is. You can't get rid of them
this is actually something i'm looking into fixing. my preference
would be to make a standard POSIX base to build u
Hi all,
I installed Valentines according to instructions, a few weeks ago. It
worked, but I don't remember whether I tested getting to the Internet
at that time.
Now, I do this:
qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -hda /scratch/devuan_disk -boot c -net
nic -net user -m 256 -localtime
ping 8.8.8.8 (
> I have been aware of the pending assimilation of systemd into the kernel
since Linus dramatically rejected Kay Sievers' code last spring. Recently
there has been renewed chatter about the impending doom. But I'm not quite
clear how that would affect devuan. Hoping you can help me get a grip on
On Sat, 2/28/15, Gravis wrote:
Subject: Re: [Dng] What if systemd infects the kernel?
To: "dng@lists.dyne.org"
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015, 10:03 PM
>> Why not one response?
>
> probably because gmail (among other services) is automatically marking
> your emails as spam since they ar
now we're tech support?
remove "-net nic -net user" (works for me)
--Gravis
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I installed Valentines according to instructions, a few weeks ago. It
> worked, but I don't remember whether I tested getting to the Internet
> at that ti
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 12:05:32AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > My point is that Perl and Python as system software are forced on you in
> > a Linux distribution as a requirement in much the same way that systemd
> > is. You can't get rid of them
Having them don't cost much, IMO.
A lot of the Debia
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:18:59PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 12:05:32AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > My point is that Perl and Python as system software are forced on you in
> > > a Linux distribution as a requirement in much the same way that systemd
> > > is. You can't get
> Having [perl and python] doesn't cost much, IMO.
this is true however, you only need a single deep-seeded flaw to
exploit an entire system when it comes to scripting. for further
reading, see bash.
--Gravis
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 12:05:32AM
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