Am 02.02.2015 um 02:11 schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> [...]
> Which is exactly why I want to see documentation rather than
> more take-care-of-everything automation.
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Configuration
That URL could be included by comments in "/etc/default/grub"
and "/et
On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 08:11:54PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 10:13:09PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > My point is that if you need to care about boot loaders (or
> > recompiling the kernel, or shrinking/extending a couple of
> > partitions), then you should know exactly w
I think that in the limit, it would be ideal that every piece of
software--no matter how obscure--would have sufficiently extensive
documentation to cover every single corner case of its operation (and I
want a pony, while I'm making impossible wishes :P)
I humbly recommend that the official docum
http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/
tl;dr everything, including the kitchensink.
Some of the listed stuff looks/sounds pretty cool, I just have serious
reservations of all this stuff belonging to one team. I find it very hard
to see how any kind of quality can be maintained when de
"""
* Can also hide /dev/* devices and hide all the physical devices (like
/dev/sda, ...) and only keep /dev/zero, /dev/null, ... for particular
services.
* By using other systemd tools (not mentioned), you can limit access to
/dev/* devices to particular services and block it for all others
"""
H
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
>Ha!* Beat'em to it with vdev, and we didn't have to replace PID 1 either.
>-Jude
cheers Jude! these are nice features and can come useful if substituting
PID1 is not involved. I'm spending some time to study Roger's schroot
these days and see lots
On 2 February 2015 at 13:02, Martijn Dekkers
wrote:
> http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/
>
> tl;dr everything, including the kitchensink.
>
> Some of the listed stuff looks/sounds pretty cool, I just have serious
> reservations of all this stuff belonging to one team. I find it ve
I found this an interesting read:
* read ahead implementation dropped: in the age of SSDs the benefit is not
big enough to have this. All systemd developers have SSDs and no more
spinning disks, nobody could/wanted to support this anymore. The idea was
to read-ahead the bits needed during the boot
On 02/02/15 08:06, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
I was going to have a rude reply here until I read this at the bottom:
a new secure boot implementation: this is a work-in-progress, to have
more validation of the boot process that it hasn't been tampered with.
It will integrate a new method of signi
Hello all.
I have been using Debian as from Potato and installed it on
embedded devices, servers and laptops, for my job. I am looking forward
to install Devuan Jessie when it is realeased I have some comments on
Grub, and some more general.
Grub2:
Currently, with Wheezy, the ins
I have been trying to learn some systemd basics. While i dont really like
the idea, i will probably still have to work with it.
So i browsed some links about systemd and found a presentation about its
features.
Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to (For
those that d
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400
Ricardo Larrañaga wrote:
> Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to
Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my instinctive feeling
that "We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile".
Only remains to prove the tali
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400
Ricardo Larrañaga wrote:
Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to
Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my instinctive feeling that
"We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile".
On
On 2015-02-02 15:22, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400
Ricardo Larrañaga wrote:
Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd
to
Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my
instinctive feeling that "We are
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:22:45 -0500
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Only remains to prove the talibans of systemd that resistance is not
> > futile...
> Is not ISIL a better analogy?
Grovelling apologies, but I have difficulties distinguishing shades in that
region of the spectrum...
Cheers,
Ron
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:02:51 +0200
Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/
>
> tl;dr everything, including the kitchensink.
LOL, that "ping gateway" functionality could have been done with a 10
or 20 line shellscript with a bunch of ip commands and a few ping
I have come to the conclusion that they are basically re-inventing *nix -
the ultimate "Not Invented Here" implementation
On 2 February 2015 at 19:22, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:02:51 +0200
> Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>
> > http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/
> >
> >
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400
Ricardo Larrañaga wrote:
> Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd
> to (For those that dont feel like. It's Start Trek's Captain Piccard
> as a borgand then tux as a borg.)
> https://rhsummit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/summi
Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i think
some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than joining the
project and steering it in another direction, or creating patches to fix
what you do not like, everyone is just standing about complaining. Now
this is not
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:31:54 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> I'm not a Star Trek guy. What is the exact meaning of the two
> "Resistance is Futile" slides? What point is the presentation trying to
> get across?
The point as I understand it is that (according to the authors) Linux will be
compelled to
Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
freedesktop.org or whatever?
On February 2, 2015 7:47:28 PM EET, "T.J. Duchene"
wrote:
>Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
>think
>some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than join
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 12:31:54 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
I'm not a Star Trek guy. What is the exact meaning of the two
"Resistance is Futile" slides? What point is the presentation trying to
get across?
The point as I understand it is that (according to the authors) Lin
FTFA It sounds like systemd is evolving into a piece of software which touches
every single part of the operating system; and that's quite concerning in
itself without considering one team is maintaining it all.
"There were no slides. None whatsoever. No presentation. He just talked" ?
no nee
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:47:28 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
> think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
> joining the project and steering it in another direction, or creating
> patches to fix what you do not l
Well Poettering is actually getting paid for doing all this, the same goes for
a lot of other contributors, basically they have nothing better to do and this
is a nice excuse to get money.
On February 2, 2015 8:51:18 PM EET, digitek wrote:
>FTFA It sounds like systemd is evolving into a piece o
If systemd is the Borg I propose the first release of Devuan be named S8472.
And that we temporarily change the project motto to 'The weak shall perish'.
Trek fans will know what I am talking about.;)
On February 2, 2015 8:15:10 PM EET, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>>
On 02/02/15 15:56, Vlad wrote:
Well Poettering is actually getting paid for doing all this, the same goes for
a lot of other contributors, basically they have nothing better to do and this
is a nice excuse to get money.
On February 2, 2015 8:51:18 PM EET, digitek wrote:
FTFA It sounds like s
Hi Anthony,
Let me say that I hold you in high esteem and have the utmost respect for
you and your colleagues for your work on eudev, and keeping at it in the
face of community ire no less.
I would love to work more with you on creating a better independent device
manager. You might recall that
Hi Jaromil,
Making vdev easy to use in sandboxed contexts (chroot, lxc, jails, etc.) is
definitely a design requirement! I didn't know about schroot before just
now, but I'll be sure to take a look at it for inspiration and test vdev
with it for compatibility.
Regards,
-Jude
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015
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The problem with the systemd environment is not amenable to patching. In
fact, the psychology of patching, more code fixes anything, is one of
the primary problems with systemd.
- From a purely mathematical perspective, aside from the ingenuous
atti
Clarke Sideroad wrote:
On 02/02/15 08:06, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
I was going to have a rude reply here until I read this at the bottom:
a new secure boot implementation: this is a work-in-progress, to have
more validation of the boot process that it hasn't been tampered
with. It will integra
On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
> Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
> freedesktop.org or whatever?
>
You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit, I should have
phrased it better. Mea culpa.
The reality is that no matter w
Am Montag, 2. Februar 2015, 17:31:20 schrieb william moss:
> Compatibility is not a necessity. If Linux moves in multiple directions,
> so be it. Systemd, Gnome and KDE and other do everything in one fat and
> potentially pathological package. Such venues are usually the product
William, did you r
GNOME and KDE are bloated, and DEs should not put requirements on anything,
they are nothing more than GUI alternatives to the shell.
On February 3, 2015 12:54:12 AM EET, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
>> Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that m
> Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software that
> decides to use systemd's facilities, it's going to be a war of attrition as
> things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd.
for the vast majority of programs that depend on systemd, you can just
recompile progra
On Tuesday, February 03, 2015 01:04:10 AM Vlad wrote:
> GNOME and KDE are bloated, and DEs should not put requirements on anything,
> they are nothing more than GUI alternatives to the shell.
DE's are not the only piece of software I was referring to. In the short run,
they are certainly the mos
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:54:12 -0600
t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
> > Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
> > freedesktop.org or whatever?
> >
>
> You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit,
Hello!
Am 03.02.2015 um 00:21 schrieb T.J. Duchene:
> [...]
> Of course, it is also possible that Devuan will become a
> "systemd-free" specialty distribution that follows your
> suggestion of absolute minimalism. I don't see that being a
> good niche, since there are already plenty to fill that a
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 08:46:13PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:11:39PM -0800, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > I've just released libsysdev 0.1.0.
> > Source code may be found at:
> > https://github.com/idunham/libsysdev/archive/0.1.0.tar.gz
> > (I'll have to tag releases using
* On 2015 02 Feb 07:53 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> I found this an interesting read:
>
> * read ahead implementation dropped: in the age of SSDs the benefit is not
> big enough to have this. All systemd developers have SSDs and no more
> spinning disks, nobody could/wanted to support this anym
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on
some part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out
systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to duplicate
anyone's efforts.
Maybe a good first step would be to get a list
On Mon, 2/2/15, Jude Nelson wrote:
Subject: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages
To: "dng@lists.dyne.org"
Date: Monday, February 2, 2015, 7:40 PM
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on some
part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling o
Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on
> some part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out
> systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to duplicate
> anyone's efforts.
>
> Maybe a good
# [Devuan Weekly News][current] Issue X
__Volume 02, Week 5, Devuan Week 10__
https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/past-issues/volume-02/issue-010
## Editorial
The public surface of the project grows with the addition of new
communication channels, mentioned below. This seems to mea
Thanks for the link, Joel!
>From what I gathered from that picture, it looks the stuff that "apt-cache
rdepends" can tell me.
Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and
libudev1, I get:
$ apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 libpam-systemd libudev0 libudev1 | grep -v
"R
On Monday, February 02, 2015 11:32:52 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> Devuan is probably going to have to provide some form of
>
> > compatibility in the future. This will be the case, regardless of how
> > you or I might feel on the subject, especially if kdbus gets
> > integrated into th
I think he might be a concern troll, best ignore him.
On Feb 3, 2015 1:32 AM, "Steve Litt" wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:54:12 -0600
> t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
> > > Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back t
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