I think he might be a concern troll, best ignore him. On Feb 3, 2015 1:32 AM, "Steve Litt" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:54:12 -0600 > [email protected] wrote: > > > On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote: > > > Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to > > > freedesktop.org or whatever? > > > > > > > You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit, I > > should have phrased it better. Mea culpa. > > > > The reality is that no matter what anyone does, systemd is here to > > stay, > > Oh geez, I gave you the benefit of the doubt on the first post, and now > you write the preceding. You're on this mailing list why? > > People are working very hard to depoetterize Linux as fast as Red Hat > can poetterize it. Your statement above is a slap in the face to the > people making eudev, vdev, and lots of other stuff. > > You must have one heck of a crystal ball, because I sure haven't had > voices from a burning bush tell me that systemd is here to stay. It > could easily be gone, and considered a huge mistake, within three years. > > > and it is likely going to be a long term issue, requiring a > > long term solution. Consider that upstream projects entirely outside > > of Devuan's control are going to be aiming dependencies on systemd. > > Gnome already does, and there are plains for KDE to take a similar > > path. > > There's an easy cure for that: f em! If they force Devian not to > support them, well, that was their decision, wasn't it? > > > > > There is no escaping this fact of life. > > So true. The British will rule America and India, it's a fact of life. > What the hell does "fact of life" even mean? > > > Linux as an OS is developed > > in a hodgepodge of distributions. The reason systemd has found such > > wide adoption is that it simplifies their work. As long as > > distributors use it, more and more project developers are going to > > create dependencies on systemd. > > You really do love systemd. I thought it was just a summer thing. > > If you want to simplify their work, read up on the Supervision Scripts > at https://bitbucket.org/avery_payne/supervision-scripts . > > > > > Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software > > that decides to use systemd's facilities, > > Not a bad idea at all in the long run, but in the short run I've proven > over and over again that you can init with a simple init, and > (temporarily) use systemd's udev etc. As far as Gnome, well, they made > their choice, let them live with it. > > > it's going to be a war of > > attrition as things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd. > > Yeah, they said Linux could never survive against Windows either. > > > Unless systemd implodes of its own accord, which is unlikely - > > Very likely. For instance, look at who is left on Debian-User. Nothing > but noob, far as the eye can see. This is where they scout for devs. > Huge numbers of people are totally enraged with systemd. The only > people who totally love systemd are paid to do so. > > > Devuan is probably going to have to provide some form of > > compatibility in the future. This will be the case, regardless of how > > you or I might feel on the subject, especially if kdbus gets > > integrated into the Linux kernel. If that happens, it might as well > > be "game over" for systems that do not provide at least a shim. > > By all means then, let Devuan provide a shim, at least in the short > run. > > > I think that uselessd or FreeBSD's compatibility projects are > > probably the most likely solutions. > > And you're on this list why? > > Seriously, T.J. why? I said anti-Debian stuff on the Debian-User list > because I saw Debian as the last hope for life without systemd. I was > factually wrong. But you have millions of choices, involving systemd > from 100% to 0% and anything in between, so why do you come on this > list evangelizing systemd, and telling us our efforts are useless? > > SteveT > > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >
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