Hi Adam,
El 28/12/15 a las 16:43, Adam Borowski escribió:
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:16:17AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
>I propose a new package 'xfce4-default-settings' to customize the default
>appearance of the desktop in devuan. I also propose alsa-oss,
Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't su
On 12/28/2015 12:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:17 +0100
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 12/28/2015 02:07 AM, Go Linux e.org wrote:
>>> It's quite a long list. If you see anything in there you can live
>>> without, please post to the issue on git
>>>
>>> #apt-cache show
On 12/31/2015 03:47 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
>
> Personally I like Rox as a light file manager, it has its own unique
> workflow which takes a little getting used to but after that it offers
> a GUI interface that is very usable via keyboard alongside text
> interfaces as well as via mouse and via tou
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:32:34 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> Except for Thunar's hit and miss handling of media like thumb drives
> and CDs, do you have anything against it?
I have forgotten the details, but I do remember that when I came to Debian from
another distribution that used PCManfm as defau
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 08:51:51AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 30/12/2015 22:06, fsmithred a écrit :
> >On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>>I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
> >>>to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I
On 29/12/15 04:37, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:17 +0100
Your subject intrigues me. There are 2 reasons I prefer LXDE to Xfce:
1) LXDE is much lighter
2) LXDE is more reliable
If you can really lighten up Xfce, that addresses #1, and probably to
some extent alleviates #2. I be
On 31/12/15 10:32, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:46:03 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100
aitor_czr wrote:
I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
IMHO, YMMV etc.
Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :)
Lik
Le 30/12/2015 22:06, fsmithred a écrit :
On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
>to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I log
>in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I ra
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:46:03 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
> > > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
> > > >IMHO, YMMV etc.
>
> > Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :)
>
> Like you,
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100
aitor_czr wrote:
> > I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
> > >IMHO, YMMV etc.
> Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :)
Like you, Altor, I prefer PCManfm, and moreover think Thunar to be a piece of
excrement...
Chee
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
> to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I
> log in it starts me off with xfce instead.
> In the old days
> discoverability
Are you ser
On 12/30/2015 09:09 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
>IMHO, YMMV etc.
Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :)
Aitor.
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On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
> to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I log
> in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I ran
> Debian, it would start with a logi
>I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
>IMHO, YMMV etc.
SpaceFM doesn't use any of Xfce/LXDE dependencies, has an embedded automounter
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So try Thunar.
By the way, if part of your objection to pcfmanager or whatever it's
called is its inconsistent way of mounting thumb drives, that's exactly
why I wrote Amounter.
SteveT
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:22:36 +
Dave Turner wrote:
> I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is r
I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
IMHO, YMMV etc.
DaveT
On 30/12/15 06:09, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
to ask for it. My system boots into a green lo
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:30:44 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
> to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I
> log in it starts me off with xfce instead. In the old days when I
> ran Debian, it would start
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 01:10:58PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:42:15 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > Are there other window
> > managers we could use in the name of minimalism?
>
> There are approximately one million, three hundred and thirty two
> thousand, one hundred a
On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for
what it provides and for what it doesn't.
You can try, deb packages are there:
http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/
Source:
git clone https://github.com/pcbsd/lumina.git
briefly: light
On 12/29/2015 11:35 PM, richard white wrote:
Another suggestion would be the Lumina desktop.
>
>http://lumina-desktop.org/
>
>It does not use any of the Linux-based desktop frameworks directly.
>Instead, it relies on one class for communication with the system.
>Which make easy to port.
That so
Le 29/12/2015 21:34, richard white a écrit :
Another suggestion would be the Lumina desktop.
http://lumina-desktop.org/
It does not use any of the Linux-based desktop frameworks directly.
Instead, it relies on one class for communication with the system.
Which make easy to port.
Waouh! Ou
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:34:20 -0500
richard white wrote:
> Another suggestion would be the Lumina desktop.
>
> http://lumina-desktop.org/
>
> It does not use any of the Linux-based desktop frameworks directly.
> Instead, it relies on one class for communication with the system.
> Which make easy
Another suggestion would be the Lumina desktop.
http://lumina-desktop.org/
It does not use any of the Linux-based desktop frameworks directly.
Instead, it relies on one class for communication with the system.
Which make easy to port.
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:29:21 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> > Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight,
> > highly configurable and stable wm for many years.
>
> I used to swear by it, somewhere around 1998-
Messing with xfce sounds like mission-creep to me.
Does xfce need messing with in any way to get rid of systemd dependencies?
Then do it.
Otherwise, leave well alone.
I run debian jessie with systemd on my iMac and my main laptop because
they need to work.
Just about all packages seem to have ma
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:29:21 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> > Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight,
> > highly configurable and stable wm for many years.
>
> I used to swear by it, somewhere around 1998-20
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight, highly
> configurable and stable wm for many years.
I used to swear by it, somewhere around 1998-2000. Then, out of nostalgia,
I recently given it a look -- and faile
Le 28/12/2015 21:35, Mitt Green a écrit :
Editor war will never end even though everybody knows that vi(m)
is the best.
Please stop the war.
Anyway a text editor is off topic here. It has nothing to do with a
desktop environment.
Didier
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:45:26 +0900
Hughe Chung wrote:
> Debian installer offers four major DEs as an option: GNOME, KDE,
> Xfce, LXDE.
>
> For a decade, I've been using Fluxbox as window manager. I have no
> intend to change any window manager over Fluxbox unless there is
> significant benefit
Le 28/12/2015 12:59, Mitt Green a écrit :
I'd suggest to have the following applications by default (by
categories from Applications Menu):
1) Accessories: xarchiver, xfce4-appfinder, mousepad;
2) Games: xlennart :)
3) Graphics: ristretto;
4) Internet: iceweasel, transmission-gtk, xchat, netman
Debian installer offers four major DEs as an option: GNOME, KDE, Xfce,
LXDE.
For a decade, I've been using Fluxbox as window manager. I have no
intend to change any window manager over Fluxbox unless there is
significant benefit from it.
Debian users are scarce nowadays. Even in Debian commu
Okay, will revise my other post..
If it's to be a lighter version, I suggest nearly everything should go but the
desktop, a mixer, browser, document viewer, mousepad, and what's needed to
automount and something that can play music maybe if that's already included in
the non light version
On
I give vi +1 for "being everywhere in unix"
and nano +1 because I'm too lazy to learn vi
On Monday, December 28, 2015 11:43 PM, Adam Borowski
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
>> > No, no, no. If you install vim* you also have to install emacs. Keep
>> > nano a
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> > No, no, no. If you install vim* you also have to install emacs. Keep
> > nano as default editor!
>
> Editor war will never end even though everybody knows that vi(m)
> is the best.
That's a heresy! It's jstar (package joe) that's th
I usually only use tasksel when setting up for others, but my idea of a light
setup is the desktop itself, ristretto image viewer, and iceweasel and the
mixer panel plugin (if that's not broke altogether)
Adding things like libreoffice, the gimp, and a document viewer for pdf (but
without pulse
nano/vim both get installed before tasksel starts up
but yeah really only one editor is needed for system configs
On Monday, December 28, 2015 8:35 PM, Mitt Green
wrote:
>> No, no, no. If you install vim* you also have to install emacs. Keep
>> nano as default editor!
>
> Editor war will neve
On Mon, 12/28/15, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Monday, December 28, 2015, 2:04 PM
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:49:04 -0500
Mitt Green wrote:
> golinux wrote:
>
> >I specifically asked what should be REMO
> No, no, no. If you install vim* you also have to install emacs. Keep
> nano as default editor!
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On Mon, 2015-12-28 at 09:26 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 06:59:31 -0500
> Mitt Green wrote:
>
> > And also I'd go with vim-tiny as it is really close to the original
> > and without nano by default.
>
> And make sure it is in /sbin, so it is accessible when the boot
> proce
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 03:04:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:49:04 -0500
> Mitt Green wrote:
>
> > golinux wrote:
> >
> > >I specifically asked what should be REMOVED from the default xfce
> > >desktop
> >
> > Nothing. Xfce even lack necessary components like pdf viewe
>This is something I never understood. Why expect your window
>manager/desktop environment to give you functionalities? Why not
>install them a-la-carte to get the exact system you want?
Steve,
I only suggested what should be installed by default
and included on a proposed LiveCD. I think that
a
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:49:04 -0500
Mitt Green wrote:
> golinux wrote:
>
> >I specifically asked what should be REMOVED from the default xfce
> >desktop
>
> Nothing. Xfce even lack necessary components like pdf viewer and a
> file archiver (xarchiver is not their project right? They had squeez
golinux wrote:
>I specifically asked what should be REMOVED from the default xfce desktop
Nothing. Xfce even lack necessary components like pdf viewer and a file
archiver (xarchiver is not
their project right? They had squeeze back then but it's no longer maintained
now).
>LaTex would be as us
On 29/12/15 03:38, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
>> Adam Borowski wrote:
>>
>>> Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
>>> agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement,
>>> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is
>xfce4-mixer and xfce4-volumed relying on this
>interface with gstreamer0.10, our mixer
>application and volume daemon cannot be ported
>to 1.0 and are consequently not maintained
>anymore.
Heh, how do they think we are going manage our
sound I wonder.
Xfce has always been lacking a couple of thi
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:42:15 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Are there other window
> managers we could use in the name of minimalism?
There are approximately one million, three hundred and thirty two
thousand, one hundred and ninety eight excellent window managers you
can use in the name of minimal
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:25:15 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:16:17AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> > I propose a new package 'xfce4-default-settings' to customize the
> > default appearance of the desktop in devuan. I also propose
> > alsa-oss,
>
> Note that xfce4 in unstab
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:17 +0100
aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 12/28/2015 02:07 AM, Go Linux e.org wrote:
> > It's quite a long list. If you see anything in there you can live
> > without, please post to the issue on git
> >
> > #apt-cache show task-xfce-desktop
> > #apt-cache show xfce4-good
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
> >agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement,
> >xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio only.
>
> I reckon it haven't rea
On Mon, 12/28/15, Mitt Green wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
To: "Go Linux"
Cc: "dng@lists.dyne.org"
Date: Monday, December 28, 2015, 5:59 AM
>
> I am currently using file-roller and evince from squeeze and am trying to
> a
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
> >agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement,
> >xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio only.
>
> I reckon it haven't rea
Adam Borowski wrote:
>Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
>agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement,
>xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio only.
I reckon it haven't really dropped yet, there is 4.11 version in
Experimental, one day it may bec
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:16:17AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> I propose a new package 'xfce4-default-settings' to customize the default
> appearance of the desktop in devuan. I also propose alsa-oss,
Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
agnostic xfce4-mixer has
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 06:59:31 -0500
Mitt Green wrote:
> And also I'd go with vim-tiny as it is really close to the original and
> without nano by default.
And make sure it is in /sbin, so it is accessible when the boot process aborts,
and /usr is not mounted ;-3(
Cheers,
Ron.
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:44:36 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> This is the result of the Debian policy of installing a maximum of
> packages because it's free. I'm not saying this against libreoffice; I
> use it sometimes but not on all hosts. I bet more than half the packages
> installed in Deb
I'd suggest to have the following applications by default (by categories from
Applications Menu):
1) Accessories: xarchiver, xfce4-appfinder, mousepad;
2) Games: xlennart :)
3) Graphics: ristretto;
4) Internet: iceweasel, transmission-gtk, xchat, netman or dhcpcd-gtk;
5) Multimedia: parole, xfce4
Le 28/12/2015 00:29, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 09:38:09PM +, Go Linux wrote:
As a result of a discussion on #devuan, I've opened an issue for suggestions to
make the xfce desktop lighter here:
https://git.devuan.org/d-i/tasksel/issues/12
Personally, I'd start with lib
Hi,
On 12/28/2015 02:07 AM, Go Linux e.org wrote:
It's quite a long list. If you see anything in there you can live without,
please post to the issue on git
#apt-cache show task-xfce-desktop
#apt-cache show xfce4-goodies
dev1fanboy has a minimal list posted here:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1
On Sun, 12/27/15, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2015, 5:29 PM
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 09:38:09PM +, Go Linux wrote:
> As a result of a discussion on #devuan, I've opened an issue for sug
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 09:38:09PM +, Go Linux wrote:
> As a result of a discussion on #devuan, I've opened an issue for suggestions
> to make the xfce desktop lighter here:
>
> https://git.devuan.org/d-i/tasksel/issues/12
>
> Personally, I'd start with libreoffice. Please suggest your favo
As a result of a discussion on #devuan, I've opened an issue for suggestions to
make the xfce desktop lighter here:
https://git.devuan.org/d-i/tasksel/issues/12
Personally, I'd start with libreoffice. Please suggest your favorite
candidates for the hit list!
golinux
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