Re: [DNG] Docker leaves Ubuntu for AlpineLinux (and hires its dev)

2016-02-12 Thread Neo Futur
> I also don't understand that some media state he has been hired by Docker, > as according to his Linked In profiles, he is the founder and CTO: > https://www.linkedin.com/in/solomonhykes > More questions than answers, I'm afraid. the guy that have been hired by docker is natanael copa, creator o

Re: [DNG] DNG/Gmail Bounces (was: XFCE terminal alternatives?)

2015-12-09 Thread Neo Futur
hi all, concerning gmail/google apps bounces, I recently discovered : https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en https://postmaster.google.com/ this is relatively new and few people needed it un til now, but it seems important to seup for anyone sending an important volume of emails t

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-16 Thread Neo Futur
> A couple days back, I was playing with Trinity on a PCLinuxOS live CD. > Starting the applications **from the CD** was faster than doing the same > from a KDE4 desktop *from an SSD*. At the time, I recall GNOME2 and KDE3 > being slower than their earlier incarnations, but the sheer bloat and > i

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-16 Thread Neo Futur
>> Same here, if systemd was just an init system, i d probably still >> avoid it and fight it, but the main problem is that its much more than >> that, eating everything around it ( >> http://neofutur.net/local/cache-vignettes/L200xH133/arton19-b28db.gif >> ), and that is the main problem, for sur

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-16 Thread Neo Futur
> I pretty much stopped reading after the following line in the > composition: >== > Fourthly, I will only be dealing with systemd the service manager (of > which the init is an intracomponent subset, and also contains several > other internal sub

Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki

2015-06-14 Thread Neo Futur
> Ah. The hosting control panel allows me to switch PHP versions up to and > including 5.6. Anyone heard anything adverse about 5.6? Other than the fact > that it's still PHP? :-) I recommend 5.4 or 5.5 for now ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki

2015-06-14 Thread Neo Futur
a few things : * at the very least you will need a clean dns : https://www.zonemaster.net/test/16766 Nameserver ns1.vidacloud.co.uk/185.52.27.27 answered with a RCODE NXDOMAIN to SOA query on xx--domain-cannot-exist.xx--illegal-syntax-tld. Nameserver ns2.vidacloud.co.uk/95.142.155.4 answered with

Re: [Dng] Fwd: Lennart reacts to the release of Devuan

2015-05-31 Thread Neo Futur
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > I think you miss the point Yves was making. The objection isn't to > painting Poettering in a bad light, the objection is about making light > of what hitler did. > > As far as I know, Poettering never advocated mass murder. Sure but murdering

Re: [Dng] Lennart reacts to the release of Devuan

2015-05-31 Thread Neo Futur
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Yves wrote: > Frankly, I find this video simply inappropriate, unnecessary and > inflammatory. > Just my 2 cents. sorry but I love it ! I also loved the same parody about mtgox . . . even if I was one of the people in it :p communication is part of the fight . .

Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite DE: GNOME3

2015-05-28 Thread Neo Futur
I dont really want to troll, but I have to say I m not included in this "everyone" and the trinity, the kde3 fork, is great at many levels, and systemd-free, and is my favorite DE http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ give it a try ! On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Jaret Cantu wrote: > On 05/28/2015

Re: [Dng] Hi - awaiting your distribution

2015-05-21 Thread Neo Futur
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:19 AM, john francis lee wrote: > Hi, > > I'm eagerly awaiting your distribution. I just reinstalled debian 8 > after the update from debian 7 failed ... and I'm not a fan of systemd. > I hadn't been following what was up at debian, but I'm sorry to see > what's gone down.

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-06 Thread Neo Futur
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Neo Futur wrote: >> Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa >> knowing everything of me ( they already have >> http://leaksource.info/2013/12/30/nsas-an

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Neo Futur
>> > For all of you not familiar with Debian-User, my reply was a humorous >> > parody of what happens on Debian-User every time somebody questions >> > the devine wisdom of systemd. > [T.J. ] Are you guys just making jokes or are people really like that over at > Debian User these days? > I reali

Re: [Dng] donating funds...

2015-03-13 Thread Neo Futur
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Peter Maloney wrote: > FYI flattr takes 10% of the donation fyi, better and cheaper than flattr, theres also changetip ( http://changetip.com/ ), bitcoin based. > > not saying it's a problem necessarily, but I found that rate alarming, so > just letting you know

Re: [Dng] Hardened Devuan (was Re: Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is)

2015-03-08 Thread Neo Futur
> I am not sure I follow - is the plan for Devuan to be default > hardened/grsec, or is it supposed to be an optional choice somehow? As was > already pointed out, java won't run. Lots and lots of server workloads run > Java nop, not as a default ( or I badly missed something ;) ) , just an a

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-07 Thread Neo Futur
> lets be clear, you d have to check for each and every new version of > each and every binary you ship to add this "allowed to skack exec or > whatever other dirty memory trick" flag whenever the upstream added a > bug or a backdoor. also automatically adding this flag everywhere completely de

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-07 Thread Neo Futur
> cool, thanks! I think it would be important that packages that have an issue > running under grsec all do what they need to do on installation to make sure > the correct configs are in place to actually work under grsec. This is often > left out, making proper security expensive and difficult to

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-07 Thread Neo Futur
e: > > I am not sure I follow - is the plan for Devuan to be default > hardened/grsec, or is it supposed to be an optional choice somehow? As was > already pointed out, java won't run. Lots and lots of server workloads run > Java > > On 7 March 2015 at 12:42, Jaromil w

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

2015-03-06 Thread Neo Futur
FYI vagrant cant be used on a grsec host, builing it need java ( meaning stack exec and more ) ==> grsec.log <== Mar 7 04:05:17 xena kernel: grsec: From x.x.x.x : denied RWX mmap of by /var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/virtualbox-4.3.18/work/VirtualBox-4.3.18/out/linux.x86/release/obj/VBoxTpG/VBoxT

Re: [Dng] Hardened Devuan (was Re: Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is)

2015-03-06 Thread Neo Futur
grsec kernels ;) usefull ehen you provide a shell to most of your customers/users ! On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Neo Futur wrote: > at the beginning we plan : > > * to use only the pax options of the grsec kernel, no rbac enabled > * to work on vanilla sources or gentoo hard

Re: [Dng] Hardened Devuan (was Re: Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is)

2015-03-06 Thread Neo Futur
at the beginning we plan : * to use only the pax options of the grsec kernel, no rbac enabled * to work on vanilla sources or gentoo hardened sources * no debian patches, no exotic patches * shipping the kernel with warnings that, as a default, java wont work with a secure kernel, and possibly any

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Neo Futur
> the Grsecurity/Pax hardening of the kernel, will you think of it, > instead of SELinux, or as an option besides SELinux? It sure will be > attainable in the way I got it in Debian in that Tip, but official > support would be so great! https://git.devuan.org/groups/hardened we are a few guys pla

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Neo Futur
> Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after minor > planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I nominate pseudo-planet Sedna > for a future Devuan release. Not sure how many of these planets exist, but > if we run out of planet names, there's always the many moons o

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread Neo Futur
> *** Why is everybody looking for the One Ring to Rule Them All? Can't > we have unity through diversity? Are we all subject of Mordor's torpor > and subjugation? which makes me think some kind of broken ring, or melted ring, could be an idea for the devuan or rootslinux logo . . . breaking fre

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Neo Futur
>> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to, and anyway openrc supports cgroups ;) ( my 2 cents : and should be used in future versions of devuan ;) >> when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an >> irritation to all of us, but we've lived with

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-25 Thread Neo Futur
>> its a general philosophy of design and openness > FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy > to share the results once finished. and I ll be happy to read and comment ;) >> > it is more about principles. Let's list some: >> > >> > - freedom of choice, >> > - i

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Neo Futur
>> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN. >> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy! >> >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371 > If something replaces init, it is by definition "an init system". > Whether it does more or less than the

[Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-24 Thread Neo Futur
( renaming the thread ) > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo question. It does ! > It must go beyond "sans-systemd"; exactly its much more than just "sans systemd", its a general philosophy of design and openness > it is more about principles. Let's list some: > >

Re: [Dng] systemd free badge

2015-02-21 Thread Neo Futur
I like the idea, I tought of trying to gather people around some kind of "rootslinux" foundation, to share efforts, ideas and coding, the badge could be part of this roots linux idea . . . anyone interested ? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Jaromil wrote: > hello i just thought of sharing a sim

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

2015-02-17 Thread Neo Futur
> Nate, could you please summarize Luke's question? I haven't been able > to completely read any of his posts. its more than just a question, but you probably want : https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00695.html ( that I just added to my systemd vault list of important links to read

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Neo Futur
> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system > > if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively > engage more developers and end-users to give them their right to > choose what software to run, please do consider hitting the "+

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-11 Thread Neo Futur
links added on my systemd vault in the philosophy and architecture section : http://neofutur.net/systemd-vault I keep adding interesting and related links ( and dependency graphs ), please all feel free to ping me on irc #debianfork or #rootslinux when you find somehting that should be added on t

Re: [Dng] Some downgrades may be needed e.g. cups Re: Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-03 Thread Neo Futur
( being on the two mailing lists I m cross posting on the TDE mailing list so they know devuan could be interested in supporting TDE . . . ) same here, TDE ( kde3 fork reacting to the unstable kde4 bloat ) : * have all the features I expect from a modern window manager * is very stable, even if y

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-31 Thread Neo Futur
> "No DE as a default": does this this mean not having GNOME/KDE but > perhaps X11, (v)twm or similar, xutils/xapps, and xterm? > Or does it mean no X? I meant no X, but that would only be for a possible "minimalist untra secure server oriented" release, also the grsec kernel would probably be a d

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-31 Thread Neo Futur
I completely agree with most of the comments above about grub2. I manage dedicated server and build my own grsec kernel, so I often have to use the bootloader, so many times I couldnt get it to boot with grub2 after hours trying and as soon as I tried with lilo or grub-legacy it worked immediately